Male period dignity officer sacked so whole idea scrapped...

[Chevyimpala67]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-62807683

Why?
Why not just give the job to - oh I don't know - a woman???

Why scrap it totally?

If a man can't have the job no one can?

Ffs.

[OneTC]

@nutellachurro

@TheDailyCarbunkle

You're the one who said I should check the JD

I have, and there is no mention of chatting to people about their periods as you claim

If you're accusing me of not reading it, it would be easy for you to copy and paste the relevant section you're referring to?

I wonder why you can't do that...

This will include engaging with staff, partners, communities and young people

[nutellachurro]

@babyjellyfish

Do you know what this role entails?

[vera99]

Back from the Edinburgh Fringe and the right on Summerhall gender neutral toilets were stuffed full of gratis sanitary products which is no bad thing.

[HeadNorth]

The bloke was an ex tobacco salesman and personal trainer - he was manifestly unqualified for the role! Male midwives have to have professional training and qualifications - this guy just had a pal on the selection panel.

[BadNomad]

Why does the person need experience of engaging and empowering young people who menstruate then if they're not going to talk about periods and period products with young people? How can you talk about period products without talking about periods?

"You can get free pads, tampons, cups, sponges etc but I can't tell you what they're for. Just Google it or something."

[nutellachurro]

@OneTC

Yep, engaging them about the period product act. Not sitting chatting about how periods make them feel.

This will include engaging with staff, partners, communities and young people in developing and delivering a campaign that stretches across our regions, raising awareness and understanding of the Period Product Act and the expanse of work happening in our respective communities

[TheDailyCarbunkle]

I appreciate your effort @OneTC but @nutellachurro is not arguing in good faith so it's probably not worth it. Not that I'm saying don't try, but you're probably wasting your time.

[nutellachurro]

@BadNomad

Why does the person need experience of engaging and empowering young people who menstruate then if they're not going to talk about periods and period products with young people? How can you talk about period products without talking about periods?

"You can get free pads, tampons, cups, sponges etc but I can't tell you what they're for. Just Google it or something."

Again, they are discussing the availability of period products

Not how to use them.

And they needed experience engaging women to do the role, but that's not necessarily experience engaging women about periods

As the techniques to engage an audience are the same whether you want them to chat about the availability of period products or their weight goals.

[BitossiBlues]

Job specifics states:
"This will include engaging with staff, partners, communities and young people in developing and delivering a campaign that stretches across our regions, raising awareness and understanding of the Period Product Act and the expanse of work happening in our respective communities"

How many young women want to have possibly intimate and distressing conversations about their period experience with a man? How many women of any age in the community |(not empowered professionals or media savvy personalities, ordinary women on the street) would want to talk about this with a stranger man who has no frame of reference?

How many "lightbulb" moments about periods can any man, who has never and will never experience them, have? Lightbulb moments, insights into experience, real empathy, all the qualities you need in someone if you want them to truly revolutionise the way periods are dealt with in a way that has some real meaning and impact on the lives or ordinary women?

In the light of the menopause floodgates (pun intended) finally opening after hundreds of years of women suffering in silence, women finally being given a voice and treated seriously in medicine, in the media and in the workplace, how tone bloody deaf to appoint a man to this role. And how typical that the initiative is being taken away from women because this particular man - who must be a tone deaf narcissist to take it in the first place - can't handle a bit of heat.

[TooBigForMyBoots]

@nutellachurro

@TheDailyCarbunkle

You're the one who said I should check the JD

I have, and there is no mention of chatting to people about their periods as you claim

If you're accusing me of not reading it, it would be easy for you to copy and paste the relevant section you're referring to?

I wonder why you can't do that...

They use the word engage, not chat. The candidate is expected to chat engage with girls/young women.

[babyjellyfish]

@IrisAtwood

Sorry but the logic of only giving this role to a woman means that men would not be suitable gynaecologists or midwives. AFAIK men carry out both of these roles without any problems 🤷‍♀️

I don’t know why he lost the role or why it has been defunded, but not sure that it is because he is a man.

Gynaecologists and midwives train for years to obtain qualifications which are directly relevant to women's health.

This guy is a personal trainer.

[nutellachurro]

@TheDailyCarbunkle

I appreciate your effort @OneTC but @nutellachurro is not arguing in good faith so it's probably not worth it. Not that I'm saying don't try, but you're probably wasting your time.

It was a half arsed effort since the carefully selected line was in reference to period products

Which is what I've been saying since the start

Considering you're the one accusing others of not reading something, it's odd how you can't then back that up with anything

It's almost like you have no idea

[Soontobe60]

@KettrickenSmiled

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha hahahahhahahhahahahha
😂😂😂

Article says how they are scrapping the role because of "abuse" - not because it was a total cock of an idea, you understand - so it's all the nasty feminist bullies who are now to blame that a mansplaining corporate twonk decent chap is out of a job & women won;t be able to understand how periods & the menopause work now.

Biggest pile of steaming DARVO I've read today.
Cheers @Chevyimpala67 !

Couldn’t have put it better myself!

[nutellachurro]

@TooBigForMyBoots

They use the word engage to refer to 'engaging with staff, partners, communities and young people in developing and delivering a campaign that stretches across our regions, raising awareness and understanding of the Period Product Act and the expanse of work happening in our respective communities'

So as I have said before

This role is talking to people about the period products act

As specified in the JD

Not periods themselves

Unless people don't understand the difference?

[Beowulfa]

If the job was just a glorified admin role doing a bit of stocktaking and spreadsheet monitoring, then why does it need such a grandiose title and press release showing the "officer" chatting to a woman and teenage girl?

[babyjellyfish]

@nutellachurro

@babyjellyfish

Do you know what this role entails?

I'm guessing not squats and push ups.

[Chevyimpala67]

@HeadNorth

The bloke was an ex tobacco salesman, the job was barely advertised, the woman who got him his past 3 jobs was on the panel. It stank from the get go - welcome to Scotland, where it is all about who you know.

It stinks alright

[nutellachurro]

@babyjellyfish

Do you think he has no experience engaging with people in his past roles?

Or managing projects?

[BadNomad]

@nutellachurro

Again, they are discussing the availability of period products

Not how to use them.

And they needed experience engaging women to do the role, but that's not necessarily experience engaging women about periods

As the techniques to engage an audience are the same whether you want them to chat about the availability of period products or their weight goals.

Tbf you think it's fine to talk about your sex life to kids, so you're never going to agree that young girls and women will feel more comfortable hearing about period provisions from a woman. Periods are something only females experience. It is more empowering for women to deliver this message.

[54isanopendoor]

It's a remarkably immature response to womens justifiable concerns about the appointment certainly. Very P4, I say ...

Certainly 'legal compliance officer' is a different matter to 'sit in a circle & discuss cramps' (never going to be the main thrust of the job anyway) but why NOT employ a woman ? why not ensure that all those involved are transparently relatable & approachable ? why was this chap (who doesn't seem very qualified) shoehorned into this position to start with ? Why CAN'T the SNP 'read the room' & care about women and the things that affect them (like, their legal definition for one thing - if that is taken away I will hardly feel compensated by any 'period champion' anyway !

[ImherewithBoudica]

If you awful girls won't welcome a bloke doing this and loudly emphasising how periods are about male people too then you can't have the role at all.

Yup. Works for me thanks. I'll gift wrap his bat to take home.

[Soontobe60]

@babyjellyfish

Gynaecologists and midwives train for years to obtain qualifications which are directly relevant to women's health.

This guy is a personal trainer.

Not forgetting that for many years, women were sidelined for positions as consultants in all fields of medicine. Women needing the services of gynaecologists were expected to accept that the person sticking their hand up her vagina would most likely be male and they would not be given a choice. More women are now empowered to say they only want females carrying out intimate examinations.
Medicine at all levels is male orientated - women are expected to fall in line with their male colleagues.

[nutellachurro]

@BadNomad

Weird comment but ok

Clearly you have 0 understanding of the role and what the role holder should be doing

Unless you think the only people who fundraisers for prostate cancer should be men, the only people discussing water sanitation concerns in remote locations should have experienced near death from drinking dirty water and that fire safety officers should have been former firefighters.

[Hobbesmanc]

I agree that the optics on the appointment look a little stinky.

But not really understanding the spite that some posters have shown against the individual. He's not publicly spoken since his appointment and then its withdrawal.

So not sure how we know he's a twonk, or an arrogant chancer or some of the other insults.

And lots of women work in men's reproductive health. Presumably you can empathise with someone with prostate even if you don't have one?

But yeah- you do wonder who in HR signed it off.......

[ImherewithBoudica]

And of course absolutely positive this had nothing whatsoever to do with a really inconvenient FOI request.