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Male period dignity officer sacked so whole idea scrapped...

251 replies

Chevyimpala67 · 06/09/2022 14:16

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-62807683

Why?
Why not just give the job to - oh I don't know - a woman???

Why scrap it totally?

If a man can't have the job no one can?

Ffs.

OP posts:
FOJN · 06/09/2022 14:55

This is from the job description, sounds like the role is more than admin.

Energy, enthusiasm and excellent interpersonal skills are needed, backed up with a qualification at degree level and a successful track record of engaging and empowering a large range of people from a diverse range of cultural and socio-economic backgrounds, in particular young people who menstruate.

It's concerning that nut doesn't think this job requires a DBS check. Perhaps nut should have read the whole description (to educate themselves) where it quite clearly states the successful applicant will be subject the checks on the PVG Scheme, Scotland's version of the DBS but better.

Watchkeys · 06/09/2022 14:55

nutellachurro · 06/09/2022 14:50

It's provocative to not share someone's opinion now huh

Wild

It's the way you do it, sweetie.

Howdoyoulikeyourtea · 06/09/2022 14:55

PVG scheme record under vulnerable people act Scotland . Is this the Scottish equivalent of a DBS? I’ve no idea I just read the job information on the link provided which says it’s required.

TheDailyCarbunkle · 06/09/2022 14:56

This role involves talking to young girls and women about their reproductive organs.

Are people seriously questioning why that role should go to a woman?????

nutellachurro · 06/09/2022 14:56

@Florenz

You consider £35k an exorbitant salary Confused

SheeWeee · 06/09/2022 14:57

nutellachurro · 06/09/2022 14:24

Oh god

Another post where the ignorant will bleat on about incorrect assumptions as to the remit of this role.

YABU op

Part of the remit was to educate the public about periods and the menopause.
So they appointed a man who can have no real understanding about either of those things.
It was the fucking ultimate in mansplaining.

If there are any incorrect assumptions they are yours

Howdoyoulikeyourtea · 06/09/2022 14:57

CEO’s post with FOJN saying it is indeed the Scottish equivalent

nutellachurro · 06/09/2022 14:57

FOJN · 06/09/2022 14:55

This is from the job description, sounds like the role is more than admin.

Energy, enthusiasm and excellent interpersonal skills are needed, backed up with a qualification at degree level and a successful track record of engaging and empowering a large range of people from a diverse range of cultural and socio-economic backgrounds, in particular young people who menstruate.

It's concerning that nut doesn't think this job requires a DBS check. Perhaps nut should have read the whole description (to educate themselves) where it quite clearly states the successful applicant will be subject the checks on the PVG Scheme, Scotland's version of the DBS but better.

So as said, it doesn't require a DBS check

Enhanced DBS is what the OP was referring to as well fyi

FrankLampardsBrokenHand · 06/09/2022 14:58

At the time I looked him up on LinkedIn. His work history was marketing for a tobacco firm and working as a personal trainer from what I remember. There was nothing which would allude to being a good fit for this role.

It wouldn't have taken a genius to predict the response to any man being appointed into this role, with it titled as it was. But I did indeed read the job description and it did include liaising with students regarding issues pertaining to periods. I'm not sure why or how anybody would think a male going to speak about periods would be well received by the majority of girls. The response to that question was that it would get boys involved and talking, which is great and would be welcomed, but not at the expense of the girls for whom periods and menopause will be a first person problem.

He also made comments on twitter immediately following his appointment which only served to highlight how naive the appointment had been.

FOJN · 06/09/2022 14:58

Is this the Scottish equivalent of a DBS?

That's my understanding but it's looks better because once you're registered an employee on the scheme it updates you if they are convicted of anything during their employment.

Thelnebriati · 06/09/2022 14:59

The job involved face to face contact. Of course this should be a job for a woman.
static.independent.co.uk/2022/08/16/17/16162818-0899ecfa-7d85-47bb-905a-abd2b9778b75.jpg

nutellachurro · 06/09/2022 14:59

@SheeWeee

No it wasn't in the remit of this role to educate on periods.

It's to educate on the new period product act and what actions said organisation is taking to ensure it's upheld

Some on here are mighty hard of understanding

SlowHandClap · 06/09/2022 15:00

Hahahahahahah @nutellachurro , you are on a roll today , there really is no need to be so rude
Have a cup of tea or something
It's getting rather dull now
I agree with you @Chevyimpala67 to develop the role you need someone women can relate to

mattermore · 06/09/2022 15:00

TheClitterati · 06/09/2022 14:23

they are simply reiterating if men can't have it/do it, nobody can.

dicks!

Could this be an employment law thing though? If he were sacked for being a man he would have a clear case of sex discrimination.

zen1 · 06/09/2022 15:00

This whole thing is a joke from start to finish. It is beyond me why they didn’t just employ a woman from the outset.

oakleaffy · 06/09/2022 15:02

fruitbrewhaha · 06/09/2022 14:28

Because the appointment was done behind closed doors and by this chaps mate who got him the role. But mainly because men aren't experts at periods or menopause.

Absolutely.
Men will never know the stress and dread of periods as a young woman -
Nor the inconvenience of them, nor the pain that can be excruciating at times.
It would be as daft about having a woman in the role of Prostate health.

absolutelyanythingwilldo · 06/09/2022 15:02

KettrickenSmiled · 06/09/2022 14:26

Oh god

Another thread where this self-appointed contrarian will bleat on about how OP's assumptions are incorrect & only s/he, @nutellachurro has the intellectual rigour & searing insight to understand the topic.

Oh god.

Another thread where a person who agrees with the OP takes issue with a poster with a contrary view.

IrisAtwood · 06/09/2022 15:03

Sorry but the logic of only giving this role to a woman means that men would not be suitable gynaecologists or midwives. AFAIK men carry out both of these roles without any problems 🤷‍♀️

I don’t know why he lost the role or why it has been defunded, but not sure that it is because he is a man.

MarsupiIami · 06/09/2022 15:05

I don't think anyone is saying it's a role like the tampax lady (I hope that's a thing everywhere and not just here firstly so I don't look mad and also because she was great when I was at school).

It baffles me that some people don't think this role should have gone to a woman!

mattermore · 06/09/2022 15:05

From the advert ‘young people who menstruate’. Ok so that’s it. A working group of people who were too scared to say menstruation is a female thing, we’re too scared to raise the question of whether this job should have applied for an exemption so that only a female can be appointed.
It wasn’t an accident this job was open to men. it was ideological. A refusal to recognize the femaleness of menstruation and menopause.

TheDailyCarbunkle · 06/09/2022 15:06

IrisAtwood · 06/09/2022 15:03

Sorry but the logic of only giving this role to a woman means that men would not be suitable gynaecologists or midwives. AFAIK men carry out both of these roles without any problems 🤷‍♀️

I don’t know why he lost the role or why it has been defunded, but not sure that it is because he is a man.

Men train for these roles and are highly qualified. That said, I would not want a male midwife or gynaecologist.

This guy is just a random bloke with no personal experience and no training.

That's the difference.

SheeWeee · 06/09/2022 15:06

IrisAtwood · 06/09/2022 15:03

Sorry but the logic of only giving this role to a woman means that men would not be suitable gynaecologists or midwives. AFAIK men carry out both of these roles without any problems 🤷‍♀️

I don’t know why he lost the role or why it has been defunded, but not sure that it is because he is a man.

It really doesn't mean that. They train for years to be qualified, this dude is a personal fuckign trainer who knows about as much about the menopause as Dave down the pub.
Not even slightly the same thing

Chevyimpala67 · 06/09/2022 15:08

Well I am in England (which is probably obvious) and I know for sure the HT at our local school would not let anyone talk to pupils about periods who did not have a dbs (or the Scottish equivalent)

To suggest it's ott to expect such safeguards for out young women is so fucked up I don't know where to start...

OP posts:
Florenz · 06/09/2022 15:09

£35,000 is more than most of the private sector workers in Tayside earn, you know the people that actually pay for the local council.

Sorry but I think local government in this country is an absolute fucking joke, on every conceivable level. It's basically legalised robbery of council tax payers, if it was run properly 99% of the people working there would no longer be working - and most of them would not last 5 minutes in the private sector where you actually have to be good at what you do.

SheeWeee · 06/09/2022 15:09

nutellachurro · 06/09/2022 14:59

@SheeWeee

No it wasn't in the remit of this role to educate on periods.

It's to educate on the new period product act and what actions said organisation is taking to ensure it's upheld

Some on here are mighty hard of understanding

Actually it was, you're the one misinformed.