Page 8 | To think we're about to witness a repeat of Labour's wrong Miliband brother moment?

KenAdams · 2022-09-05T00:14:42+00:00

How Liz will won above Rishi is beyond me. I mean, I know they're both Tories and we are where we are but her interview with Laura K on Sunday really worried me. I feel like the country is on a knife edge waiting to see what she will announce and I'm 99% sure it just won't be enough and it will start a chain of events that will make for such a difficult time for this country. I do think it would be stopped if Rishi were PM or at least kerbed but I feel that the Tory party are about to make the wrong decision with who they chose and with it will bring dire consequences for the country. I would think it would make them unelectable but if they've selected an ERG PM then who knows any more? Maybe I'm just a cynic but I'm so concerned about the next few weeks and months.

angela99999 · 05/09/2022 10:48

wackamole · 05/09/2022 02:46

I think the Conservatives had their David Miliband moment when they failed to select Rory Stewart, leaving him to fuck off to the USA and impress people there instead. ('Course I suppose Sunak may do that too; there's got to be some reason he kept that green card for a couple of decades.... but I don't think he's any match for Rory or David.)

I do so agree with you on Rory Stewart, almost impossible to believe that we are about to have an economically illiterate PM.
All her recent performance, channelling Thatcher, have filled me with horror as she comes across as not very bright.

Alexandra2001 · 05/09/2022 10:48

Festoonlights · 05/09/2022 10:13

There is nothing Putin would like more than a Labour government.

Labour who do not support Nato, or our nuclear deterrent and were suggesting only the other week that Ukraine should just pour some tea and speak to the nasty Russian soldiers and we should stop helping Ukraine defend itself!!! (Jeremy Corbyn) You literally could not make this up.

Whatever state the country is now in post pandemic, it could have been so much worse under a Labour government !! And there are PLENTY of supporters of Corbyn and the policies he shares still alive and well in the Labour Party that believe the above and given the chance will undermine the security of our country over night.

www.lbc.co.uk/news/corbyn-criticises-uk-sending-weapons-to-ukraine/

Russia are very invested in the Labour Party as a result, and not without good reason.

The Russians are heavily invested in the Tory party, millions given to party coffers by Putin supporters.

Putin wanted Brexit, a Tory party policy and one Boris delivered to Putin.. as revealed after the killing of his daughter, Daria Dugina, her father, the spiritual leader of Putin wrote "Isolate the UK from Europe, weakens both...."

Labour spent far more on defence than the Tories ever did, who refused to sell or give any weapons to Ukraine until this year.

Name changing to support your argument is frowned upon by MN isn't it?

Crikeyalmighty · 05/09/2022 10:49

I'm convinced that festoon lights is the Brexity Lady who had a place in France and is convinced Britain is fab because she likes her Oxfordshire lovely village and pony's etc - because that lady it seems has vanished off here. She is talking absolute piffle. The current bunch of Tory's are a load of clueless

MrsRuggles · 05/09/2022 10:50

DFOD · 05/09/2022 07:35

And her cabinet … Cleverly as Foreign Minister and Kwanteng as Chancellor…. what a bunch of inept idiots.

She will do an about turn today to appeal to the base for an election rather than then the Tory party membership who she needed on side the past few months.

She looked exhausted and overwhelmed on Laura K yesterday.

I also wonder if there is another plot either Bring Back Boris or call an election so Labour win who will have to manage the largely Tory created catastrophe we are facing for 3 years and then the Torys swoop back in for decades?

I suspect an election fairly soon, having asset stripped the country and bought in all the legislation possible to make it hard for the damage they have done to the country to be undone. Then leaving Labour at the helm while the mess initiated by the ERG, Tories in general and Brexit hits the country. Labour gets blamed when it cannot be sorted in weeks and then yes quite possibly, decades more Tory.

angela99999 · 05/09/2022 10:51

antelopevalley · 05/09/2022 10:13

There was no way an Asian man was going to be appointed as the Conservative Prime Minister by the membership. Have some realism here folks.

Sadly I think that this is probably true, regardless of the fact that he is not only super intelligent but also has the education and employment record of someone who could be a very competent PM.
As for his wealth, most Tories must surely come in the higher sectors of wealth and income in the UK, so I doubt that they would hold that against him.

Crikeyalmighty · 05/09/2022 10:52

Sorry hit send! A load of clueless berks, hugely overpromoted and in it to line their own pockets. Jacob rees Mogg as business secretary!! He basically has never built anything - he just gets others to invest other peoples cash- no risk to him! That is not him building a business- it's not dealing with logistics or imports or exports or EU customs

Kennykenkencat · 05/09/2022 10:53

Hippywannabe · 05/09/2022 06:54

I totally agree. I thought Rishi would walk it at the beginning and win. Part of me wonders if 'the plan' is to have her fail and Boris to make a triumphant comeback!

I think either that or she will promote Boris within the government ready for when she steps down and he takes over again

or

Given everything is such a shit show atm Putin is in for the long haul and doesn’t look like he is going to withdraw any time soon

I think an election will be called and the reins purposely handed to Labour who will lead us for the duration spending our way out of the mess by taxing the “rich” who will f**k off to other countries and then leave the bill to the middle and lower earners who can’t leave.

Then the Tories will ride to the rescue in 4 years time.

I had a feeling we were heading for a repeat of the 70s last year.
Nothing has happened to dispute that idea.
Even down to the clothes in the shops
Fashion is definitely Stranger Things 1970s vibe.

I have lived through the 70s and it will always remain the worse decade of my life made worse because of the economic gymnastics I had to do everyday and the fact because of the strikes you couldn’t count on anything
I can see what is happening and it has such similarity to that decade.

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KenAdams · 05/09/2022 10:53

Festoonlights · 05/09/2022 08:39

Well for those sitting at home perplexed at why Liz Truss was chosen over and above Rishi Sunak, which in itself speaks volumes about your lack of capacity to imagine anything outside of your own special bubble, that you can not find anything at all you would consider a quality IS quite worrying.

I can tell you why, as someone that voted for her, and I am a party member.

The party, as a whole did not agree with the removal of Boris Johnson. Full stop. I can not underscore that point enough. For sure Boris will be back but that is another thread.

Most thought partygate was blown up by the media to get rid of Boris, and Liz Truss is the closest option to him, she is aligned with his views.

Just how aligned we are about to find out, but either way there is no way on god's earth conservative members were going to vote for the deceitful and back stabbing Sunak, he has no values and no ethics and was going for the job purely for his own interests, and nothing AT ALL to do with his love for this country (He has a great deal of love for US) and he is weak, much weaker than Truss. If you were to meet him (he is very petite and a polite chap) you will see what I mean. He would be extremely easy to manipulate and coerce. He is in this purely for self interest, and he makes no effort to disguise it.

In today's world we need a bullet proof defence plan, a commitment to see the best of the Brexit come through however you voted and someone with some lead in their veins, and some grit to get through this cost of living crisis. Sunak has literally no idea what poverty looks or feels like. His idea not to 'burden' the young with debt, despite the fact they were set to starve and freeze this winter didn't occur to him. There was a huge disconnect between reality and Sunak's world. The treasury world, that has very little to do with your world trust me.

I fully expect the media and tory remainers to go after Liz Truss now, as they did with Boris. Many have already started. They will try to drive her out as well. Although I doubt she will give them the fodder they had on Boris, we will see her undermined at every turn. This country it seems to me is being governed not by the Conservatives, nor indeed the official in Whitehall but by the media and a powerful group of insiders. It won't improve for Labour, if they displease the people behind the news channels shaping the narrative.

Fortunately the electorate are not as stupid as the Tory MPs, and we can see precisely what has happened, and what is about to happen.

Someone needs to pull the plug, at least on the BBC funding if nothing else.

Thanks for posting although I'm still struggling to find any qualities. Do you, as a party member seriously think Liz is an election winner or do you think she'll have lost confidence of the party long before that?

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SynchronisedStrimmer · 05/09/2022 10:57

Good post @KenAdams. I’m just a bog standard voter, but I agree with you.

Kennykenkencat · 05/09/2022 10:58

And of course the 70s when the real shit hit the fan the country was governed by Labour and then Thatcher was brought in and then it was Conservatives for the next 17/18 years

UnnecessaryFennel · 05/09/2022 10:59

I can't believe we have posters on this thread still attempting to blame Labour for the 2008 global financial crisis and still bringing up 'that letter'.

It is utterly embarrasing that our political discourse has been so debased. Really, you have nothing more than lying about the events of 14 years ago and parroting Daily Mail headlines?

Labour are far from perfect, but my god, the idea that actual functioning adults believe they would be 'worse' than the current shower of venal incompetents is mind-blowing.

AStar98 · 05/09/2022 10:59

Unfortunately, it looks like the wrong decision will be made. And yes, exactly as the labour leadership contest.
The tory party really should have considered this when they've elected her - she's out of touch and incompetent at best. The masses will not vote for her at the next GE (if she lasts that long!) and I predict we will end up in another hung parliament.

vera99 · 05/09/2022 11:02

She's not a fascist but a literal Nazi and that's why I support her to the hilt (c. Joe Lycett).

angela99999 · 05/09/2022 11:03

Doris86 · 05/09/2022 10:17

Rory Stewart was just a male version of Teresa May. He was constantly saying that the EU withdrawal agreement could not be changed, and he was basically going to go along with whatever the EU demanded if he was elected. He would have been a disaster as PM. Whatever you may think of him, at least Boris had the backbone to stand up to the EU.

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But Boris didn't stand up to the EU, he simply took what was eventually offered after others had done the negotiating and we are now finding out that a lot of it doesn't work.

Cameron could have affected what the EU was offering, pre the Brexit vote. Rory Steward realistically accepted that nothing was going to significantly change what the EU was offering, though I'm sure his management process could have given us a more workable agreement than what May achieved.

sjxoxo · 05/09/2022 11:03

Agree it’s a disaster for everyone… on top of all the other things they’ve handled terribly. BUT I think they’ll be out at the next election 🙏 Truss reminds me of that blonde character in thunderbirds

babyjellyfish · 05/09/2022 11:05

angela99999 · 05/09/2022 11:03

But Boris didn't stand up to the EU, he simply took what was eventually offered after others had done the negotiating and we are now finding out that a lot of it doesn't work.

Cameron could have affected what the EU was offering, pre the Brexit vote. Rory Steward realistically accepted that nothing was going to significantly change what the EU was offering, though I'm sure his management process could have given us a more workable agreement than what May achieved.

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This.

Boris didn't actually achieve anything. He actually made Theresa May's deal slightly worse.

But he was rude to his counterparts in the EU and so people who aren't big on the detail will praise him for "standing up to the EU".

TooMuchToDoTooLittleInclination · 05/09/2022 11:05

balabears · 05/09/2022 08:57

Liz Truss can at least define what a woman is, and discuss her policies regarding this. More than Rishi could do… let’s not mention Starmer!

That's true and 6 months ago I'd have found that extremely important, now I think it's less important than Ukraine, CoL, recession, people cold & hungry.

LTis going to be a fucking nightmare.

Sunak would be worse. Best think that's snivelling little twerp can do is did off to the USA.

his back stabbing us largely why we're in this position.

Boris was far from perfect, but so much was blown way out of proportion - media & back stabbed.

lots of people need to learn 'be careful what you wish for' & 'better the devil you know'

Blossomtoes · 05/09/2022 11:06

taxing the “rich” who will fk off to other countries

Where are they going to go?

vera99 · 05/09/2022 11:09

Jacob Rees-Mogg is Business Secretary let that sink in for a moment - as Cumming's, when not testing his eyesight tweeted recently.....

“truly useless Remainer” Liz Truss after she made into the final leadership run-off with Rishi Sunak.

“Totally on-brand for ERG to back a truly useless Remainer who did nothing in govt except gabble with hacks cos she’s reassuringly mad behind the eyes,” Cummings tweeted.
^^
Boris Johnson’s ex-adviser turned nemisis also claimed the PM quietly supported Truss’ campaign because he “knows she’s mad and thinks she’ll blow and he can make a comeback”.

Cummings said his former boss’s immediate priority was stopping Sunak. But he added: “He knows Truss is mad as a box of snakes and is thinking, ‘There’s a chance she blows, there’s another contest and I can return’.”

Cummings said he had given the foreign secretary the nickname “human handgrenade” because she “caused chaos rather instead of getting things done”.

He also mocked Truss’ celebratory tweet after the final round of parliamentary results when she said: “I’m ready to hit the ground from day one.”
Cummings responded: “Sure would ‘hit the ground’ and she wouldn’t bounce much. Splat, for Tories and UK.”

UnnecessaryFennel · 05/09/2022 11:10

I think they will be out at the next election too. However it will undoubtedly be a poisoned chalice for Labour (or a coalition of the centre-left) as they will be left to try and clear up the utter chaos of the last 12 years.

I fear that it will be too big a task, and we will be back under the Tories again by the end of the decade.

Flapjacker48 · 05/09/2022 11:11

@Kennykenkencat Lack of basic knowledge of history from you - the three day week in the 70s ("when the lights went out) was all under a Tory Prime Minister (Heath)

angela99999 · 05/09/2022 11:11

What is also concerning is that, when you look at news items of world leaders and foreign secretaries at meetings, Liz Truss was always on the outside, with nobody speaking to her. I'm afraid that she may be considered by them to be an outsider, an imposter - to be ignored.

EmmaH2022 · 05/09/2022 11:11