To think we're about to witness a repeat of Labour's wrong Miliband brother moment?

[KenAdams]

How Liz will won above Rishi is beyond me. I mean, I know they're both Tories and we are where we are but her interview with Laura K on Sunday really worried me.

I feel like the country is on a knife edge waiting to see what she will announce and I'm 99% sure it just won't be enough and it will start a chain of events that will make for such a difficult time for this country.

I do think it would be stopped if Rishi were PM or at least kerbed but I feel that the Tory party are about to make the wrong decision with who they chose and with it will bring dire consequences for the country.

I would think it would make them unelectable but if they've selected an ERG PM then who knows any more? Maybe I'm just a cynic but I'm so concerned about the next few weeks and months.

there is no way on god's earth conservative members were going to vote for the deceitful and back stabbing Sunak, he has no values and no ethics and was going for the job purely for his own interests,
Please do not imply that LT or any other Tory politician / voter has any sort of ethics or values other than “protect our own, protect the money”

Protect your own interests the the Tory Party M.O ffs 😂😂

The winner hasn’t been announced yet and you’re already condemning her. 🤖

There is nothing Putin would like more than a Labour government.

Labour who do not support Nato, or our nuclear deterrent and were suggesting only the other week that Ukraine should just pour some tea and speak to the nasty Russian soldiers and we should stop helping Ukraine defend itself!!! (Jeremy Corbyn) You literally could not make this up.

Whatever state the country is now in post pandemic, it could have been so much worse under a Labour government !! And there are PLENTY of supporters of Corbyn and the policies he shares still alive and well in the Labour Party that believe the above and given the chance will undermine the security of our country over night.

www.lbc.co.uk/news/corbyn-criticises-uk-sending-weapons-to-ukraine/

Russia are very invested in the Labour Party as a result, and not without good reason.

There was no way an Asian man was going to be appointed as the Conservative Prime Minister by the membership. Have some realism here folks.

Completely agree. The Tories don’t care about women because they can “define” one. It’s crazy how many women think otherwise.

@Festoonlights Absolute and total bollocks.
Cornyn was thrown out of the Labour Party. His supporters have largely left the Labour party or been thrown out.
Starmer is a centrist. This is why Cornyn supporters hate him with a passion.

Totally agree. Truss is a political opportunist. She will say whatever will get her votes.

Rory Stewart was just a male version of Teresa May. He was constantly saying that the EU withdrawal agreement could not be changed, and he was basically going to go along with whatever the EU demanded if he was elected. He would have been a disaster as PM. Whatever you may think of him, at least Boris had the backbone to stand up to the EU.

Festoon lights,a sensible post. In my life I have had the vote, for over 50 years,always used it,voted for each of the main parties at different times, depending on what I felt they would be able to do to better for the country and myself. My late Father said we would have a female PM in my lifetime, everyone said he was mad

Her intention to take an axe to workers’ rights is a fair indication.

I'm not a particular fan of Liz Truss but the fact is she first came out as gender critical in spring 2021, first senior Tory to do so, when she said "only women have vagina's, Nick' on LBC. She also pulled the plug on GRA reform, without fuss as it wasn't politically popular at the time.

Wave your magic wand:
What would you have them do to solve these worldwide problems?

I don't think it matters who gets in, the Tory party now is corrupt to the core.

@Festoonlights thank you for your posts; it's good to read some measured and balanced comments rather than just the "Tories are monsters/fascists/evil" hyperbole that gets chucked around. I've always been very politically engaged but it seems these days that any political discourse immediately reaches Godwin's Law territory, and not only is it extremely tiresome but it stifles any sort of rational discussion.

FWIW, I'm not a Tory voter (although that doesn't mean I disagree with all of their policies) but I agree with you on the splintering of British politics. Previously it was arranged along one axis, now it's arranged along another and it's causing merry hell within the two main parties. I don't know how it gets resolved, mind. Maybe over time the parties will re-align themselves, or new parties will be formed.

I can also see why Sunak has (almost certainly) lost - I'm generally not a big fan of Liz Truss as she does seem a bit superficial but I doubt she's going to be the unmitigated disaster people say (although I'm sure that some would still deride her even if she was stellar, purely on the basis that she's a Tory...). If nothing else, she'll have an eye to the next election in just over two years time and she's not going to want her political legacy to be "I made the Tories lose power". I'm at least prepared to give her a chance before I write her off. It's one thing to be a backbencher or even a Cabinet member, but something else entirely to be a world leader. Maybe she'll step up.

Don't get me wrong, she is 100% right about this one.

But she was also right when she said it wasn't a good idea to leave the EU, and then she became a born again Brexiter as soon as it became clear that non-believers would not progress in the Tory party.

She will be Maggie Part 2 and the Tory voters will lap that up. As much as I’d love to think she’ll speed up the demise of the Tories with her fuckwittery, I doubt it. I put £50 on her telling the public to find the resilience and stoiscm of all those hard Brits in the 70’s/80’s who had to endure cold times and hardship.

It isn't so much a new party we need it is electoral reform so that other parties can get a look in and so that the government we have reflects the views of the people.

We have other parties now but they are considered a wasted vote because of our FPTP system and the system of gerrymandering constituencies to the benefit of the party in power.

The thing about politics is that it attracts the exact kind of people least suited to the role.

We'd probably have better outcomes having politicians decided by a lottery!

The civil service rubs the country anyway (most of whom are centre right). That's why whoever's in charge never really changes anything.

We definitely need PR. First past the post is a disaster.
Putin would love a Labour victory?! Remind me again who has taken 2 million in donations from Russians and put the son of a KGB agent in the House Of Lords (still can't believe he was allowed to do that)..and it the rumours about his outgoing honours list are true is about to put another Russian donor in there.

This.

I'll be spoiling my ballot paper now until electoral reform is on the table because I just don't see any point in voting at the moment.

Any vote for a party other than the Tories or Labour is a protest vote, and any vote for the Tories or Labour is a vote in support of the current system which is designed to ensure that only one of the two - both absolutely terrible - can win.

There is nothing Putin would like more than a Labour government.

Why would he want a Labour government when he’s got the Tory one in his pocket?

Festoonlights Absolute and total bollocks

I also can’t remember the last time I’ve read such utter drivel from a poster on here either- scroll on by/ignore for me. Desperation and panic obviously setting in.

Hope she enjoys the coming implosion of the Tory party. May well take down the whole country too in the process, but hey, that’ll be someone else’s fault.

Olympic class mental gymnastics to somehow place the blame on anyone except those that have actually got us to this situation. Ffs.

Jacob Rees-Mogg though.

As Business Secretary.

The civil service does run the country but that in itself creates problems.

A lot of the incremental changes regarding gender ideology have been brought about by unelected civil servants pushing their own agenda, for example.

Things like the language of healthcare communications being made gender neutral until Sajid Javid told the NHS to reinstate the word "woman", for example, and the "training" that is delivered to schools and workplaces on the instructions of various government departments including DfE.

None of it is law but it has been introduced through the back door by civil servants acting more or less off their own initiative.

I don't think Ed was the "wrong brother". David was far too much of a Blair-alike.

Both are much nicer people than either of these Tories though.