To think we're about to witness a repeat of Labour's wrong Miliband brother moment?

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How Liz will won above Rishi is beyond me. I mean, I know they're both Tories and we are where we are but her interview with Laura K on Sunday really worried me.

I feel like the country is on a knife edge waiting to see what she will announce and I'm 99% sure it just won't be enough and it will start a chain of events that will make for such a difficult time for this country.

I do think it would be stopped if Rishi were PM or at least kerbed but I feel that the Tory party are about to make the wrong decision with who they chose and with it will bring dire consequences for the country.

I would think it would make them unelectable but if they've selected an ERG PM then who knows any more? Maybe I'm just a cynic but I'm so concerned about the next few weeks and months.

People always say this but other countries who tax more seem fine - Germany France Sweden Netherlands

Exactly. Both parties took it in turns to preside over the chaos of the 70s. I’m not sure whether the Tory supporters on this thread have very faulty memories or are deliberately attempting to rewrite history. Either way, it’s bloody unfortunate for them that some of us were there and can recollect more accurately.

ERG European Research Group - nut job UKIP Tories that took over the party and helped fomrent the Boris coup that got rid of all the decent long serving tories like Rory, Dominic Grieve, Ken Clarke et al.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Research_Group

I agree with @wackamole too - used to have Rory as the minister I reported too and I hugely respected his approach. Smart guy who listened to others. I'm not Tory at all, but he would have been a good leader.

Same. I wonder whether we ever crossed paths.

Umberto eco definition of fascism & modern tory examples.
We're not quite a fascist state yet.
But very very well on the way.

Boris was a love/hate figure but he had electoral gold dust. My parents, working class, voted Labour all their life - they voted Conservative at the last election. In part that was because they found Corbyn unpalatable, but also because Boris charmed them.

Given that Labour now have a sensible leader (for all his faults), I just can’t see Truss having the same effect.

I very much agree with this - being a good leader means listening to lots of opposing views and filling your team with people who don't feel they have to agree with you. That's why coalitions seem to work well.

@babyjellyfish seems possible! Although I was right at the bottom of the ladder of course!

This is a copy of a poster that was on sale in the Holocaust museum.

What's scary is that control of the media is well underway. The BBC director of impartiality Robbie Gibb previously worked for Theresa May & the director general was a one time member of the Tory party.
It's clear the BBC isn't fighting for complete neutrality in its editorial decisions.

She may be clever but she's not a quick thinker. You can see the cogs moving as she ponders the most expedient reply, depending on audience yet safe in the knowledge she can claim she didn't say that or has been misrepresented or misunderstood and anyway, media
innit. Or France. She will be nearly as embarassing as Bozo. Who won't be far away.

Nobel Prize for Joe Lycett please.

And Trump lest we forget is an undemocratic out-and-out fascist who would violently subvert and overthrow democracy but thankfully lies just on the side of batshit crazy that he doesn't seem to get over the line. Johnson and continuity Johnson drag tribute acts (can I say that I just did !) lie on that spectrum. They will try and gerrymander boundary changes, disenfranchise voters through photo id and harass and intimidate the courts and stuff the Lords. So well on the way to fucking fascism. My money's on they know they are going to lose so are in full-on loot mode for their paymasters and stuff their nests and those of their mates along the way.

I think Britain can be salvaged. We need to build more houses. Housing for social rent and housing for sale. Lots and lots. We should borrow to do this.

only then will house prices and rents have a chance of falling, and only then will people have enough cash spare to swallow raised taxes to restore public services. We’d save a load in housing benefits too if local authorities let their own properties out rather than paid people to rent privately.

High housing costs are throttling this country.

Work well? The only coalition we've had in most of our lifetimes was the disastrous Cameron/Clegg coalition.

It wasn't totally disastrous we didn't have an EU referendum under the coalition.

I believe so yes!
We need a money man in charge and I don't think that Liz Truss's ideas will work that well.
Have to see I guess

Behold the Coronation - LIVE

Yes @Cheapaschips1 . Houses are the fly in the ointment. Same here in Ireland. A huge anchor pulling everything down. Landlord parliament won't go against their own interests though alas

I was a pretty small fish myself. One day I had to go to his office to give some legal advice and when I got there his PS said he was running late and had to go over to the Commons and vote, and would I mind running over there with him and having the meeting there.

So we went to the House of Commons and once he'd been to vote we sat down together in the bar and he ordered what I can only describe as a high tea, and then proceeded to offer me tea and crumpets while I explained the legal position to him. It was surreal.

He was very polite, intelligent and pragmatic. If only more politicians were like him.

Oooh it is exciting watching the result, espcailly now I have seen the latest Survation polling on Truss

I think the Cameron/Clegg coalition was not great and I am glad both have buggered off out of UK politics - but it was a damn sight better than this government. This government has been the worst in history, just the lying, rule breaking, dodgy contracts and constant dead cat tactics - before I even get to policy analysis.

I dislike Cummings but think his analysis of the Johnson government as a shopping trolley careering out of control is close to how it feels from here.

The coalition throughout WW2 worked quite well. Needs work of course. And good faith.

I'm not a Tory but I think Anna Soubry would have made a formidable leader. Nobody left except cranks and lightweights now.

That face of hers I would like to punch it.... but I'm a pacifist sadly.

Yes, see also control of the Electoral Commission, introducing compulsory voter ID (most likely to deter Labour voters) when there is absolutely minimal evidence of voter fraud. Tory appointees across the shop (in the dying days of Johnson's PMship he appoints a chum to the House of Lords vetting committee), etc etc