Do you care that Liz Truss had an affair?

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On the one hand, I feel that it's her own business, but on the other, I want a PM I can look up to, who I can trust, who has dignity. After Boris, after his endless lies, Truss doesn't inspire the integrity that I want to see in my country's leader. AIBU?

Not the worst thing about her. But as I have no say in who the next PM is going to be there's not much point in me getting upset about anything she's done. I would never vote conservative, so there's not much point in her worrying about what people like me think

Beg your pardon!

Corbyn wasn't even the Labour leader during the 2015 General Election. 🙄

And got spanked in 2019. Thankfully, Labour removed him despite the fact they voted to remove him before that too in June 2016.

Besides, I said "plenty of people weren't comfortable about Corbyn being in charge of national security after that."

Obviously, that stands since he lost. Would probably have won if he said he'd definitely press it.

Look, we are all human and capable of making mistakes, but for the role of leading the country there needs to be a high degree of integrity.

If you can lie and cheat to your nearest and dearest, you sure as hell can do that to the rest of us. It’s a no from me.

When faced with a bunch of lying shits like these current UKIP Tories all smears are good smears.

I think its pretty shitty to rubbish the school that you attended very successfully for 5 years.

If she felt let down by it, why can't she say so? Schools can't improve unless they listen to criticism. That's why we have school inspections. I went to a good grammar school. It gave me a good all-round education. But it let me down in having no careers advice at all. Why is it wrong for me to criticise them for that?

As for improving standards? why would she do that? she has had her state education & has been in Govt for the majority of the last 12 years... what has done about the dire state of some of our schools?

Did she work in the Education Dept and I missed it? It's pretty hard to change policies of depts you're not in. But now she has a great opportunity to improve schools. Why aren't you happy about that?

And yet there's David Lloyd George...

Yeah, all the Tory voters I know want him back.

The one I’m married to doesn’t.

@Blossomtoes bet you’re really a labour voter pretending to be a Tory - but if so who?

No, what does bother me is the fact she’s the worst person to run the country. Moronic and conservative. Great future ahead!

I don’t see the big deal, she was 25 at the time and had married young. Must feel like a lifetime ago.

Except that she is about to appoint that person to be Chancellor of the Exchequer.

Yet the critic of the school was rubbished by other former pupils... i suspect she did it to court favour with the "bash the teachers mob" who seem to be quite loud in her party.

Of course she can influence policy, thats what cabinet is for & by your logic as PM she also wont be an education minister...but most importantly i will judge her on results, so if she improves educational standards that will be brilliant, though quite how she intends to do that when 12 years of the Tories has failed to is anyone's guess.

@Alexandra2001 you really do write a lot of misguided political drivel

Under what scenario would any PM launch an independent nuclear strike? without any form of consultation with the USA ?

TBF i'd rather a more considered approach when talking about the ending of all humanity.

Yes we could respond to a 1000 Russian/Chinese missiles heading towards us but by then its all too late & the deterrent has failed.

I suspect Truss would launch so she could be called the Nuclear Lady in tomorrows 'Mail.

Are you trying to say all scenarios are not accounted for? Russia and North Korea are two rogue states we may be under threat from in future.

Therefore, it's necessary for the public to have confidence a PM can and will press the button in response to attack.

Corbyn did not give such assurances and he lost.

Obviously, it doesn't mean we want to wipe out rogue states. Yet it's a possibility we have to be prepared for and to use.

Jaw-jaw may be better than war-war, but it cannot avoid the necessity of war itself. It's a reality of human beings.

Furthermore, I note you've blatantly ignored your own lie previously too.

No point fangirling over any party. In your case, Labour. You never come across as balanced.

And no, our nuclear weapons capability won't necessarily have failed as a deterrent if any are launched towards us.

Nuclear warheads can be diverted from target and aborted safely by their States if necessary.

Hence, the policy of mutually assured destruction still works as nobody dares use them.

Yet you still need to account for the possibility it won't work, hence a PM must be willing to launch if necessary.

Conventional wars are rare because States are so well armed its not worthwhile. Irregular wars are more likely and yet vast majority of terrorists fail to achieve their objectives. PIRA and ETA, for example, failed as did ISIS.

MAD works.

This is again further evidence of your binary thinking and False Dilemma Fallacy.

There are lots of reasons I don’t like her, her party or her policies. This disappoints me too, I thought maybe she would be bland but maybe would at least try to work for the good of the country instead of herself (unlike Boris). Anyone who has an affair has shown themselves to be capable of lying and cheating in a big way.

I used to work for a partnership, and the partners nearly all had affairs that we knew about. The kind of people who would lie and cheat and had a certain presence were the sort of people who got promoted all the way, plus wealth and relative power is attractive. It certainly wasn’t their looks. And the ones who I respected and also (to my knowledge) didn’t have affairs got ousted. I guess the same goes for politics.

@YourUserNameMustBeAtLeast3Characters basically what you are saying is that, in your experience, nice guys finish last. Or to put it another way - bitches do better.
I have to agree.

@DownNative Balanced? thats a laugh coming from you & typing 2015 instead of 2017 isn't a lie, its called a mistake but not one that alters the fact that JC came very close to winning.

The point is the UK will never ever launch nukes independently of the USA and you still haven't come up with the scenario where you think we would, imho unless the missiles where in the air coming towards us, not even the USA would launch pre emotively.... its the end of everything.

Instead you bang on about the IRA!!!

We need both conventional and nuclear, unfortunately Truss and the Tories have run down the conventional side far too much and her 3% of GDP is meaningless, on a GDP falling way behind inflation and without the means to pay for it.

Ukraine and probably in the future, Taiwan shows MAD has its limitations.

But why are you still hammering home on Corbyn and Labour? thats all ancient history, he's not even in the party now... this is a thread about Truss 🙄

You'd be a happier person with less of the personal stuff too.

No, I’m a Labour voter married to a Tory. Believe it or not, it does happen. He voted for Sunak.

I think it's interesting that the tabloids, despite knowing all the rumours, have not even mentioned Truss' extra marital affairs. Just shows what an easy time of it Tory politicians get from the British media. If she was a Labour politician it would be all over the tabloids.

Meh, couldn’t care less. If she were a man this would barely raise an eyebrow. Makes no difference to her ability to lead (or not).

Couldn't care less if Liz had an affair.
Couldn't care less if Boris had cheese & wine.
Couldn't care less if Keir had pizza and beer.
Couldn't care less if Rishi's wife is rich.

The country is in a shit state, yet we seem more interested in our leaders social lives, and in turn they allocate a load of time having to defend themselves.

It's time they cracked on and sorted this mess out .

Balanced? thats a laugh coming from you

Is it? I criticised a Conservative and Labour PM on the point of integrity since both compromised theirs for different reasons.

typing 2015 instead of 2017 isn't a lie, its called a mistake but not one that alters the fact that JC came very close to winning.

If you say so - odd then you failed to correct or respond in the first instance. Third time lucky, i guess.

What you said there about Corbyn coming "very close to winning" is a Strawman Argument Fallacy since my point was "plenty of people rejected Corbyn" since he failed to win.

The point is the UK will never ever launch nukes independently of the USA

On the contrary, this is part of the possibilities. Would the UK consult with the United States on what to do if a nuclear weapon was en route to the UK?

No, the PM would be alone when making the decision to enter the Letters Procedure.

you still haven't come up with the scenario where you think we would, imho unless the missiles where in the air coming towards us, not even the USA would launch pre emotively.... its the end of everything.

Strawman Argument Fallacy since I didn't argue the UK would make a pre-emptive nuclear strike. Oh dear.

Instead you bang on about the IRA!!!

On the contrary, it was perfectly valid to list Blair's occasions of deceit towards the British people as a whole in response to Hoolihan listing Blair alongside Major as having integrity.

You then attempted to challenge that, so I dealt with it. If people can go back decades with Major, it's perfectly reasonable to do likewise with Blair.

But cute attempt to deflect and distort there. Unfortunately for you, it just didn't land.

We need both conventional and nuclear, unfortunately Truss and the Tories have run down the conventional side far too much and her 3% of GDP is meaningless, on a GDP falling way behind inflation and without the means to pay for it.

Agree the UK needs conventional and nuclear forces. However, conventional warfare has been rare since 1945 and the norm has been irregular conflicts between State forces and terrorist groups.

The future mode of warfare is cyber and drone planes which we already use.

Both Labour and Conservative Governments have cut the British Army very significantly.

Ukraine and probably in the future, Taiwan shows MAD has its limitations.

MAD is only designed to work in the context of nuclear weapon usage. It has never been argued as a means to deter invasions of sovereign states.

That's the role of NATO in the North Atlantic Area which has largely worked since formation in deterring conventional invasions of NATO member states.

Shamefully, Putin bet NATO wouldn't intervene in Ukraine as he'd been testing NATO reaction for the last decade. NATO inaction is obviously not going to be a deterrent.

The UK has carrier ships for taking action in respect to places such as Taiwan for this reason.

But why are you still hammering home on Corbyn and Labour? thats all ancient history, he's not even in the party now... this is a thread about Truss 🙄

I believe you'll find YOU went on about Corbyn BEFORE I did. I only mentioned him in response to one of YOUR posts.

What a failed use of DARVO that was from you. You appear to be on an unfocused stream of consciousness here.

You'd be a happier person with less of the personal stuff too.

Since when is it personal to note your use of the False Dilemma Fallacy, for example?

It's not personal to note you're fangirling Labour in the thread as you're keen to only deflect from Labour whilst criticising other politicians. What, Labour politicians have never made mistakes or lied to the people?!