Do you care that Liz Truss had an affair?

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On the one hand, I feel that it's her own business, but on the other, I want a PM I can look up to, who I can trust, who has dignity. After Boris, after his endless lies, Truss doesn't inspire the integrity that I want to see in my country's leader. AIBU?

All those misogynist men in Labour .. you only get laid by a hotheaded socialist if you pretend you like football / give me the Conservative chocolates every time!!! @MissHavishamsMouldyOldCake

This thread has taken a very weird turn.

Alan Johnson resigned as shadow Chancellor when his wife had an affair. Quite a loss to the Labour Party in retrospect.

On the other hand MacMillan just got on with his wife's semi public affair with Lord Boothby. But affairs can be dangerous.

You're displaying some flawed logic here.

Regarding Iraq:

"Can I slightly reword that to say I think any prime minister taking a country into war has got to be straight with the nation and carry it, so far as possible, with him or her. I don’t believe that was the case in the Iraq instance.”

• Chilcot

Blair misled the people.

Regarding the GFA, firstly the GFA wasn't at all possible without the Security Forces having brought both PSF/PIRA and the UDA to their knees. It's why both sets of terrorists worked together to try to destroy Special Branch. The Security Forces saved 16,000 lives during the Troubles.

It was this that led to the GFA as the GFA was not hugely different from Sunningdale 1974. It was dubbed "Sunningdale for slow learners".

Your flawed logic shows itself as a False Dilemma Fallacy as the choices were not between conflict continuing or not continuing without Blair's secret PIRA On The Run deals.

Since the Security Forces had the upper hand which several PIRA terrorists have since admitted, they would have agreed to the GFA anyway.

Between the success of the Security Forces and the strength of the SDLP, PSF/PIRA knew they was nowhere else to go but the GFA in order to save their own necks.

Blair perverted the work Major had done between 1990 and 1996. The secret OTRs were NOT part of the peace process at any stage.

Of course, Blair lied to the people about the GFA and he knew it had the potential to bring down the GFA itself. It's precisely why his government kept that secret until 2014.

Paisley? Ugh, what a nasty man he was as well! He's in good company with McGuinness for shit stirring and being responsible for murders too. These people were only saving their own necks.

McGuinness was never an "ex leader" as his gravestone reveals to this very day. Indeed, while Deputy First Minister of Northern Ireland he defended PIRA atrocities including the human bomb murder of Patsy Gillespie.

None of this changes the central point - Blair lied about the GFA promising there would be no secret deals with the Provos.

Until it came out.

The SDLP warned him. Unfortunately for everyone, Blair admitted admiring PIRA Commanders Adams and McGuinness more than he should have. So, letters reveal he knowingly authorised the secret OTRs at the expense of the Security Forces and PIRA victims.

Lied with Iraq and the GFA. No wonder he's the most despised politician of the last 30 years.

i imagine it’s different in the public eye - corridors of whispers and photographers following politicians and camping out with long range photo lenses - in contrast to the girl next door, with a glint in her eye, who can only meet forty five minutes from the centre of Leicester (twice a week while she travels with her part-time job) is less likely to be of any interest to the London media elite x

I've never fucked a Tory so I'll take your word for it.

But you won't be getting the chocs just yet. Clavinova has put in shift after shift after shift on MN slavishly defending her tory masters. You're a mere johnny-come-lately with some catching up to do.

Yes we’ve gone from illicit encounters and trust issues to the Libdems/Labour supporters who are using Mumsnet to discredit Liz Truss … to the more serious discussion about marriage and why affairs can sometimes be good when one partner isn’t pulling his/her weight

I mean, I do think people who have affairs are selfish, amoral scum and I have zero respect for them. But in this particular case it's about 174B on the list of reasons why I don't think she's fit to run the country.

Adulterous Shaggers for Liz placards are a new one for me. Good job the "thrustings" are over. <gets coats>

We’ve WON! The Libdems/Labour supporters have resorted to swearing and sexual innuendos - they’ve failed to politically intimidate Mumsnet women - they’ll move on to the next item on their political agenda - they are so bitter and twisted - they can’t be women but maybe the peoples momentum crowd still smarting over five election losses and unable to decide what they stand for!

@illicitinkling keep thinking that. Oh, and smug is never a good look.

Me, I want someone competent as Prime Minister. Theresa May was bad, but not incompetent. Now we're going to get yet another one who's both.

It's high time for your next dose of largactyl @illicitinkling

illicitking, you need to arrange a hook up with your side piece. you seem to be unravelling on mumsnet.

When was the fifth election loss? The Tories have failed to get an outright majority in two of the last four. Apart from inability to count up to five, you seem to have lost what little sense you started with.

How was May not incompetant?

Don't hold back there will you @ Greensleeves.
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I share your views re adulterers and dh would share your views re political competency ( he follows BBC and Sky news etc re the election of a Conservative leader/PM , I don't bother ).

Its just laughable that someone would pick on Truss because of her sex life. Its misogynist and demeaning.

There are politicians in Parliament who have massive financial interests in policy, lobbying for US Healthcare, ready to eat the NHS and Mumsnet posters worry that Truss may have had a few romps in her time. This is her business, and her husbands.

But apparently being totally compromised by money and second jobs is not worthy of comment. When a politician's sex life means they are corrupt, I will care.

@LexMitior i totally agree with you - BUT WAIT remember how labour lurched into antisemitism - they wouldn’t acknowledge that there was even a problem until Keir Starmer came along - yet as a party they are still divided and infighting right, left and centre … and amongst them, RIGHT NOW - through these chats today - we see very low opinions of women - misogyny and belittling - and that’s with Keir and his deputy in charge and continued silence from the Libdems - it’s enough to make you want to have an affair! 😂😂😂👀 (ha)

I don't care this thread is about Liz Truss and the puritan crowd. Where does it get them? Sex is just so commonly fibbed about by all sorts of people. I don't see why she gets stones thrown at her about it. All sides, her own Conservative Association even - the"Turnip Taliban". Good on her for ignoring that.

She should be rubbish on her own terms, not because of a few affairs.

Non sexist incompetence for all politicians.

I started reading a thread on Liz Truss, and have somehow ended up knowing that "Dan" is having his sordid needs met.
Whoopy bloody do !!

As for Liz, her biggest problem will be if Bojo stays in politics, egged on by his delusional chums.

It’s not misogynistic - people have done the same about BoJo, and Matt Hancock got sacked for his. In fact Boris’s numerous affairs are the main reason this is so noteworthy, we really don’t need someone cast in the same mould.

Well Johnson & Hancock used public money to employ their lovers. I don't think Truss can be accused of that.

@Notonthestairs ALLEGEDLY Employed their alleged lovers x

Liz Truss has had to put up with comments like this from the outset. Its because she is a woman, and Boris Johnson and Matt Hancock did not have put up with the same kind of judgment. It is misogynistic, from the Turnip Taliban at her selection to the jokes about her now. Its is very unreasonable because many of her colleagues who are the same and certainly have affairs and are male just do not get that commentary. They get a nudge wink and aren't they are a card.

Hancock resigned because he was a hypocrite regulating the behaviour of others.

I don't agree with her politics but this a special crummy behaviour is just for women, not men.

@KonTikki You sound like you’re in need of some intimacy to counter your boring and dull life!

So - for years I put up with an H who treated me like a slave - I had a career in banking - earned good money and then Rob (my H but not his real name) and I bought the house and spent two years doing it up.

Then three children followed one after the other. So I had to give up my career to become a full time mother - we used to go to garden centres when the children were young and we’d see couples sitting there in the cafe’s, together, but distant, the man reading a paper or playing with his phone - the woman staring blankly, hoping for some meaningful conversation, we both said, “we’ll never end up like them’ AND THEN WE DID!

I enjoyed going to the school, getting involved in the activities - often looking at the other dads and fantasising to distract myself from the increasing drudge at home and trying to stay sane as H and I drifted into separate worlds - him with his hobbies and sports friends, lazy at home, self opinionated, I did everything (as wives do) but then he’d do nothing in the house but pick his nose, roll it and flick it on the lounge carpet after I’d spent all day hoovering the house and cleaning - my Princess days long gone and no chance of returning with an H who comes home drunk from office/client events then expects me to lie on my back while he rolls on, rolls off and falls asleep 💤 I gave up everything and became an invisible slave - he gave up nothing - over time it became wearing -

So I heard about illicit encounters and decided to give it a go - not expecting anything - and then I met Dan - he was the complete opposite to the man I fell in love with (and perhaps oddly, am still in love with) but he makes me feel alive and wanted - so now I have two men I love, one who I skivvy for and another who never takes me for granted but who I adore and have great sex and emotional intimacy -

so I own half of the house - I paid for it - but why upset the apple cart and spoil the lives of three now almost adult children - it’s the best of both worlds - others can disagree - an affair has enhanced my home life as it has for Dan - neither of our partners know - we conduct our affair away from home - it works and both Dan and I have discrete satisfaction and strength to cope with two less than perfect relationships at our respective homes - remembering Four Weddings and a Funeral; “Here’s a toast to wives and sweethearts … May they never meet!!!” 😱