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Do you care that Liz Truss had an affair?

443 replies

SheSaidHummingbird · 01/09/2022 00:03

On the one hand, I feel that it's her own business, but on the other, I want a PM I can look up to, who I can trust, who has dignity. After Boris, after his endless lies, Truss doesn't inspire the integrity that I want to see in my country's leader. AIBU?

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babyjellyfish · 02/09/2022 08:43

I don't think Labour and the Lib Dems actually do want power, to be honest.

They're far too comfortable where they are, shouting about how terrible everyone else is, and not actually having to run a country.

DownNative · 02/09/2022 09:03

Hoolihan · 01/09/2022 00:29

John Major, Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, Theresa May all had integrity and were not liars.

John Major - had an affair with Edwina Currie. Cash For Questions scandal under his watch.

Tony Blair - the sexed up dossier on Iraq and WMD as a pretext for an invasion in breach of international law.

Also Blair - blatantly lied to the people of Northern Ireland about the GFA whilst making secret under the table On The Run deals with Provisional Sinn Féin and Provisional IRA. This deceit saw the GFA passed in 1998 and was only exposed when PSF/PIRAs John Downey was arrested in 2014. He produced a letter from Blair's Government and it collapsed his original trial. Those letters caused untold anguish for many victims of PSF/PIRA and certainly was not part of the peace process either. This was the beginning of a serious erosion of trust in the GFA which hasn't stopped since.

Integrity?! PAH!

illicitinkling · 02/09/2022 09:20

Actually agree with you on that one - both LibDem and Labour Silence on key policy issues leaves you realising neither are fit to govern!!! 😱

Alexandra2001 · 02/09/2022 09:21

DownNative · 02/09/2022 09:03

John Major - had an affair with Edwina Currie. Cash For Questions scandal under his watch.

Tony Blair - the sexed up dossier on Iraq and WMD as a pretext for an invasion in breach of international law.

Also Blair - blatantly lied to the people of Northern Ireland about the GFA whilst making secret under the table On The Run deals with Provisional Sinn Féin and Provisional IRA. This deceit saw the GFA passed in 1998 and was only exposed when PSF/PIRAs John Downey was arrested in 2014. He produced a letter from Blair's Government and it collapsed his original trial. Those letters caused untold anguish for many victims of PSF/PIRA and certainly was not part of the peace process either. This was the beginning of a serious erosion of trust in the GFA which hasn't stopped since.

Integrity?! PAH!

Agree on Major.

Iraq and the subsequent deaths would have happened regardless of any UK involvement, its also v easy to be "wise after the event" Iraq had history of invasion and use of WMDs.... i'm sure had Iraq not been invaded and Saddam used WMD, you'd be very quick to call him a coward and another Chamberlain.

GFA ensured the vast majority of the violence stopped in NI, yes big mistakes made before during and after the GFA signed but would you rather have had the "Troubles" continue?

Paisley obviously had no trouble sharing power with McGuiness/Adams, one of them was a ex IRA commander.

I don't agree Blair lied about the GFA at all, he and Major saved 100s of lives by seeking this peace process.

illicitinkling · 02/09/2022 09:23

Perhaps Keir Starmer should change his lifelong views - if the trade unions will let him (ha)

Alexandra2001 · 02/09/2022 09:32

illicitinkling · 02/09/2022 09:23

Perhaps Keir Starmer should change his lifelong views - if the trade unions will let him (ha)

I think Starmer has made it clear he wont sing the Unions tune by not backing strike action.

Or have you anything else in mind?

What key policy issues are they (labour or LD's) "silent" on?

MissHavishamsMouldyOldCake · 02/09/2022 10:03

Appreciate that the liberal/socialists are invading bulletin boards with a view to spreading discontent about Liz Truss before she’s even started

The ones she really needs to watch out for are her fellow Tory colleagues who have already started 'spreading discontent'.

illicitinkling · 02/09/2022 10:22

Your premise assumes that ALL affairs are bad, immoral, unnecessary and I expect selfish - before we (modern woman) gained our absolute freedom - post war 1945-2000 … affairs happened because more and more women were able to work having worked for the war effort - this created post-war opportunities for women to escape over-bearing and abusive partners and rekindle intimacy on various levels.

as the pandemic proved, being trapped at home during lockdown with an abusive H CREATED a spike in divorce and separations - and affairs.

BUT CONSIDER THIS - a husband or wife who don’t enjoy wedded bliss, no longer need to suffer in silence - there is an escape route - notice on here … wives were blissfully ignorant and could have remained so but for careless use of comms equipment -

So the affair itself - WHY? The worst reason … “because I can” … the usual reason, “because I feel abandoned, unloved and taken for granted; I’ve given up my career, pushed out three children … he gobbles his food down, burps, breaks wind and has no interest in the daily sacrifices I make - comes home drunk from client events and when we go places, like garden centre cafes, we sit in silence, him reading a newspaper or playing with his phone and football obsession” -

BEGINNING TO SEE WHY AFFAIRS START?
So girlfriends know how I feel - but I’m not leaving because even though it’s not 1945 or the year 2000, I’m not walking away and disrupting the lives of our children - AND YES I STILL LOVE HIM - but I (a married woman) can have what I need (with a married man) on equal terms - away from home with all bases covered a few times a month - I have achieved Discrete Satisfaction and able to cope with the continuing drudge at home.

I am sure there’ll be lots of judgmental people on here, those who got cheated on who will disagree - but both my lover and I have satisfied (and continue to do so) the intimacy that’s evaporated at home for one reason or another.

My H and his W are blissfully unaware - we’re very careful, mindful of the possible consequences but not stupid enough to allow stray comms to end the fun and excitement that’s been missing for years!
it can be done with some mutual planning - there are days, like at family gatherings when I feel guilty and the drudge of slavery continues unabated at home, but then a message from Dan (not his real name) and my whole life lights up and calm and order prevails.

A successful affair can strengthen you at home particularly when the definition of wedded bliss is glossed over and generalised by others on a moral crusade -

KettrickenSmiled · 02/09/2022 11:09

A successful affair can strengthen you at home particularly when the definition of wedded bliss is glossed over and generalised by others on a moral crusade -

A "successful affair" means you can enjoy all the fruits of the marital assets while pretending that your noble actions are for the good of the children, & kidding yourself that you are too smart to get caught out.

Why bother with communicating your needs, or getting divorce, when you CAN have it all! All you need to do is not give a flying fuck about your H & your AP's W's wellbeing & happiness. Or what the children will feel when it all comes out - you can just tell them you were doing it for them ...

FrankLampardsBrokenHand · 02/09/2022 11:11

Couldn't give a shit.

I do, however, care about her shit ideologies and policies, lack of direction and lack of awareness.

Alexandra2001 · 02/09/2022 11:14

@illicitinkling This isn't a thread about your morals and how you live your life, its about the next person to lead this country.

But as affairs meaning lying, deception and fraud, all great qualities for todays go getting politician, so i'm sure you'll be very happy with her.

InChocolateWeTrust · 02/09/2022 11:19

She's got enough other bad points making her unsuitable as a leader imho that this particular point hadnt even registered.

While I do think its good if public figures of authority display generally good standards of behaviour, her terrifying political positions worry me more.

illicitinkling · 02/09/2022 11:20

Forgive and Forget - Live and Let Live - whether having an affair is ever justified - will be ultimately judged by the good lord in the hour of reckoning - meanwhile there’s a job to do

KettrickenSmiled · 02/09/2022 11:20

I don't give a shit about Truss's sex life. She can get it on with a pack of german shepherds every night for all I care. But I'm very concerned about her convenient political flip-flopping, & even more concerned that she's already a global laughing stock.

Her performance as Foreign Sec was lamentable. N Ireland won't negotiate with her, Beijing ditto - labelling her "irresponsible" & a "chocolate soldier" - & she opined that she's not sure if France is our "friend or foe", & the former Australian prime minister Paul Keating called her remark speculating that China might use Russia's invasion of Ukraine to launch its own attack as “nothing short of demented”.

As to home politics - she hasn't got a clue, has no policy to address the cost of living crisis, has said nothing I can recall about the lamentable state of the NHS & social care, & just wants to make popular tax cuts.

illicitinkling · 02/09/2022 11:37

The alternative is to take half and more - but by by you’re reckoning, at least the deceit will be out in the open and everyone can move on and tick all the boxes - poor old wife abusing H and ‘that woman, that wife’ etc etc - I sense you’re frustration and anger - but this way no one gets hurt - Dan’s emotional and sexual needs are fully met, his W doesn’t have to worry about her lack of empathy for his needs, he fully supports his family (as I do with my part time job) - it’s the best of both worlds - Perhaps someone should write a book for would-be marrying couples - From the W perspective - want to keep your husband - know how to cook, sew, comfort and support but above all be a whore in the bedroom and not just vanilla sex - (roll on, roll off, fall asleep 💤) make sure he never has a reason to stray -
that’s what modern day couples seem to have forgotten - both Dan an I are happy and our respective homes are calm and stable - know that will enrage the Christian liberals on here BUT the alternatives are far worse - affairs don’t suit everyone - they can be destructive - but for those with sense of understanding it’s a solution to frustrations at home -

illicitinkling · 02/09/2022 11:44

Ukraine - they both Libs/labour hate militarisation - Libdems are committed to abolishing trident - labour the same if the left regain control - but who will defend Britain/Europe when Russia try to seize Latvia, Lithuania, Moldova etc etc - they ignored the whole Ukraine issue as they did on Brexit vote outcome - now one of their own, Lord Sugar on Twitter raises the question of debating rejoining the EU - we had the vote, the majority voted to leave!

KettrickenSmiled · 02/09/2022 11:50

affairs don’t suit everyone - they can be destructive - but for those with sense of understanding it’s a solution to frustrations at home -

Ah, time to deploy the Bullshit Translator:
"Other people's affairs are sordid & will lead to ruin - but I am so morally superior, enlightened & intelligent, that not only will I not get caught out, but my H & my AP's W ought to be grateful for my services in keeping 2 marriages 'intact'."

I sense you’re frustration and anger
Your sense let you down then. I don't give a shit about your affair, it's your crass, overweaning superiority complex that's pissing me off. Also your deluded, smug, self-justification & pomposity.

antelopevalley · 02/09/2022 11:51

I can not believe those defending affairs!!

vera99 · 02/09/2022 12:15

Exit Boris Johnson.
Enter Doris Johnson.

If she makes Kwasi Chancellor you can see ...

"Right Cabinet, that was a great meeting - lots of work to get one with.
Kwasi, could I just go over a few points off grid re Carbon Credits ?"

They go to her private office - the thick mahogany door closes. The air smells of expensive perfumes Jo Malone mint/basil pomegranate for Truss and musky sandalwood bursting with citrus explosive overtones of Lalique for Bentley Crystal Edition. That and pheromones and rich folk's sweat.

Kwasi in his rich baritone responds "Liz I'm married now with a young child that was then....I just need to make that clear from the off and since I didn't reply to your quite frankly out-of-order WhatsApp I thought I had made it clear"

Liz kicks off her kitten heels and leans back in the chair drunk on the power of it all - "Favours deserve favours Kwas and anyway you know you can't resist ..."

to be continued ....

Clavinova · 02/09/2022 13:00

Angela Rayner was rumoured to be having an affair earlier this year;

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10432841/Angela-Rayner-spotted-leaving-London-home-boyfriend.html

2006
JOHN Prescott can keep his job as Deputy Prime Minister despite the two-year affair with his secretary.

The Prime Minister [Tony Blair] is standing firmly by his No2 and still believes he is a popular figure with grassroots Labour supporters.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prescott-affair-hell-stay-on-the-job-622713

MissHavishamsMouldyOldCake · 02/09/2022 13:04

Ah there you are, defending the Tories with all your might!

Sweet to see that some things never change. I hope they send you a box of chocs from time to time in thanks.

Blossomtoes · 02/09/2022 13:06

antelopevalley · 02/09/2022 11:51

I can not believe those defending affairs!!

How is not caring defending? Unless it’s my bloke having an affair it’s nothing to do with me. Other people’s marriages are nobody’s business but their own. If Mr Truss doesn’t care, why should I?

Clavinova · 02/09/2022 13:12

MissHavishamsMouldyOldCake

I love chocolates - plain chocolates especially.

illicitinkling · 02/09/2022 13:37

I think you’re doing a really good job for women like me who find themselves stuck in a corner with few alternatives to separation and divorce - you will never understand - that’s for you and this is for me and thousands of men and women caught between the devil and a hard rock - it’s terrible it’s awful it’s outrageous - but - each to his own x

illicitinkling · 02/09/2022 13:41

Agree with you - the Conservatives send chocolates - and are great Lovers! In contrast Labour have never had a woman as leader - all those hot headed, misogynistic trade union men who dominate but don’t trust women to take the lead!!!