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To judge gender disappointment?

228 replies

illstayinthepoolanddrown · 30/08/2022 19:02

When that person has a baby gender reveal party?

I’ve seen (from both parents) where after the reveal and everyone is cheering they are stood there miserable, or they’ve started crying and even seen some where they walk off.

The worst one I’ve just seen was twins and it was blue confetti first and the mum just shrugged and everyone looked awkward, second confetti was pink and she’s screaming and jumping with joy. How horrible for that little boy to maybe one day see that video.

I do think gender disappointment is valid and I’m sure most who feel it wish they didn’t. I just don’t get why you’d put yourself in that situation to be the centre of attention when it could turn out pretty bad.

OP posts:
Suzi9989 · 30/08/2022 21:58

Why find out in such a public event if they can not manage the outcome?

It is sad, just keep something little a surprise and be private

Moonflower12 · 30/08/2022 22:00

@crosstalk
I'm interested as to why it's a diminishing amount of babies who are XXY?
Is there not also XYY too? They often end up in Broadmoor etc? It's a long time since I did A level Biology! Confused

Penguinfeather781 · 30/08/2022 22:02

Sometimeswinning · 30/08/2022 21:53

A hospital with a policy to not tell people the sex of their baby?? I think you must have that wrong.

Quite common - some NHS hospitals in this area when I was having my children a few years ago wouldn’t tell you the sex at scans because it led to a lot of parents wanting to abort baby girls. I think it’s an issue with particular cultural backgrounds and thus policy varies between hospitals with different demographics. My local hospital would tell you if it was obvious while they were scanning what they needed to but they were very clear they wouldn’t spend nhs appointment time digging around to find out.

turquoise1988 · 30/08/2022 22:02

YANBU.

I find the disappointed reactions just awful to watch.

I also don't like the trend in 20 week anatomy scans being labelled 'gender scans.' They are not 'gender scans,' they are an important medical examination with the purpose of identifying any potential issues with the growing baby.

I also don't like the token few "it's sex not gender" posters that always pop up on these threads. It's so boring. Please leave.

PainsandAches · 30/08/2022 22:06

turquoise1988 · 30/08/2022 22:02

YANBU.

I find the disappointed reactions just awful to watch.

I also don't like the trend in 20 week anatomy scans being labelled 'gender scans.' They are not 'gender scans,' they are an important medical examination with the purpose of identifying any potential issues with the growing baby.

I also don't like the token few "it's sex not gender" posters that always pop up on these threads. It's so boring. Please leave.

Almost as boring as the posters who think they have any say over whether people leave a thread or not

turquoise1988 · 30/08/2022 22:10

@PainsandAches If you are able to come up with a justifiable reason as to why saying "it's sex and not gender" is in any way a valid contribution to the discussion on this thread, then I am willing to hear it.

Or, as the OP said, report the thread and ask for the title to be changed. Hopefully that will make you feel just a little bit better!

JudgeJ · 30/08/2022 22:12

crosstalk · 30/08/2022 19:15

OK I'll bite. And be the first one to say it's sex, not gender. Sex is what the baby is born with - even intersex babies with confusing genitalia are identifiable as XX or XY bar the vanishingly small number where it's XXY.

Gender is how social norms (differing from country to country) dictate what males and females should conform to. The usual pink/unicorns/makeup for girls and blue/lions/sport for boys - at least in much of the northern hemisphere.

So I guess (a) it's not called a sex reveal because in the US that's not a polite word and (b) it could be a gender reveal if you intend your child to grow up rigidly sticking to your social norms. Beware a son who doesn't want to play football or a girl who does.

Here endeth the first lesson, Gender for Dummies, very well done, I'll pretend I give a damn about the differences.
I used to be teaching teenagers how to complete forms and when the box asking for their sex instead of M/F the smartalecs put Yes Please. So original.

DdraigGoch · 30/08/2022 22:13

FarmerRefuted · 30/08/2022 19:09

There a million reasons why someone might feel disappointed when they find out the sex of their baby, it doesn't mean they won't ever get over it and it doesn't mean they won't love the baby whe it's born.

It's still a bit shit if the child ever finds out that they were a disappointment. The internet never forgets.

Cas112 · 30/08/2022 22:14

balalake · 30/08/2022 19:28

I also judge those who hold the parties.

Along with baby showers, and before that, flying for a weekend or longer for an expensive hen and/or stag do.

You sound fun

BuffyFanForever · 30/08/2022 22:15

Gender disappointment is a perfectly valid way to feel. Sometimes people don’t expect it other times they just imagined something different for their future. I cried my heart out when I found out I was having a boy. Thankfully this was in the hospital car park rather than infront of a party but still. You still love them when they come out!

Boredofmyself · 30/08/2022 22:15

I didn't have a gender reveal party however, I had a boy first and wanted my second to be a boy too as they were close in age, I was a tad disappointed when the scan said it was a girl, however she's literally my best friend and I love them the same...I've then gone on to have another boy but with a bit of a gap, ideally I wanted the first two the same gender just as in my head they'd have been closer and into the same things ( I know they could've have completely different likes in reality etc)
It was just a stupid reason and the disappointment didn't last very long at all.
The day after the scan I went shopping and got so excited at buying girl clothes.

Fivemoreminutesinbed · 30/08/2022 22:22

DONTMESSWITHMEDARNA · 30/08/2022 19:59

as a person who was told i was infertile at 17(severe PCOS and never seen a period and im 41)i agree a million percent

somehow i managed to have 2 natural pregnancies(ie no ivf)m ive no idea how as like i said ive never seen a period.
boys are 18 and 12,both got many complex disabilities each and need 24/7 care but i dont care.

i was so grateful to actually be pregnant, major shock with no 1 as i didnt know till 8 weeks as i had sever HV, and went tot he doctors to be told im pregnant,2nd was 4 years of clomid tablets and i found out at 2 and half weeks so any sex was grateful
in fact i never found out on either both were a surprise

it turned out to be 2 boys but i was so grateful and shocked (im a atheist so dont believe in none of that god sent them crap)to be pregnant i didnt care.

i know some one who's on her 9th,shes kept trying and trying for a boy as the first 8 was girls.

our hospitals policy is they wont tell you the sex and she cant afford a private scan so its a waiting game and if this is a girl she's keeping on trying.

she's already 45 and oldest is 20,youngest 3

How can she afford another child if a private scan is too expensive?

StClare101 · 30/08/2022 22:24

crosstalk · 30/08/2022 19:15

OK I'll bite. And be the first one to say it's sex, not gender. Sex is what the baby is born with - even intersex babies with confusing genitalia are identifiable as XX or XY bar the vanishingly small number where it's XXY.

Gender is how social norms (differing from country to country) dictate what males and females should conform to. The usual pink/unicorns/makeup for girls and blue/lions/sport for boys - at least in much of the northern hemisphere.

So I guess (a) it's not called a sex reveal because in the US that's not a polite word and (b) it could be a gender reveal if you intend your child to grow up rigidly sticking to your social norms. Beware a son who doesn't want to play football or a girl who does.

I think the parents who thrown gender reveal parties DO expect their children to behave in accordance with gender stereotypes, otherwise why would they care? They are the most awful
idea when you think about the harm that gender stereotypes do.

And if you hold a gender reveal party and then cry about the result which had a 50% likelihood, you are clearly not very bright.

Fivemoreminutesinbed · 30/08/2022 22:26

PonyTime · 30/08/2022 20:04

The loss of a relationship like you had hoped for or imagined.

Let's not lie that girls and boys aren't different in terms of their long term relationships with their families as a whole

The age old saying is typically true - a sons a son until he finds a wife, a daughter is a daughter all her life.

We had sex selective IVF for all our children because we didn't want to risk the natural outcome, but I can understand those who are disappointed and have no idea until they pop that ballon or spray the confetti

Why did you have sex selection IVF? What was so risky just putting any decent embryo. Obviously understandable for medical reasons.

StClare101 · 30/08/2022 22:26

JudgeJ · 30/08/2022 22:12

Here endeth the first lesson, Gender for Dummies, very well done, I'll pretend I give a damn about the differences.
I used to be teaching teenagers how to complete forms and when the box asking for their sex instead of M/F the smartalecs put Yes Please. So original.

If you don’t care or understand the difference between sex and gender in this day and age I’m very relieved you are no longer teaching teenagers.

Odoreida · 30/08/2022 22:28

I've got 3 younger brothers, I remember being told when the last one was born that he was a boy and I was heartbroken! But I was 7 at the time. As a mother of 1 now I can't imagine feeling like this as an adult.

Wouldloveanother · 30/08/2022 22:28

Honestly nothing positive about men is ever written on Mn - if an alien had to glean the simple facts about the two sexes from this forum, they would think all men are selfish egotistical rapists. You can’t join in with all the ‘so done with men’ and ‘AIBU to hate all men’ type threads then act shocked and judgemental when other women find out they’re expecting a boy. Saying ‘oh but boys are lovely’ just sounds so hollow after posting on another thread to say how shit men are and how the world would be better off without them.

Wouldloveanother · 30/08/2022 22:29

*find out they’re expecting a boy and get upset.

Sometimeswinning · 30/08/2022 22:31

PainsandAches · 30/08/2022 21:57

@Sometimeswinning

Many hospitals refuse to tell people the sex during scans

Most of which will be located in areas where certain religions or cultures make up a large % of the population

Luton and Dunstable for example doesn't tell parents for this reason

Thankyou. I was genuinely confused and thought the poster had got it wrong.

StClare101 · 30/08/2022 22:32

turquoise1988 · 30/08/2022 22:10

@PainsandAches If you are able to come up with a justifiable reason as to why saying "it's sex and not gender" is in any way a valid contribution to the discussion on this thread, then I am willing to hear it.

Or, as the OP said, report the thread and ask for the title to be changed. Hopefully that will make you feel just a little bit better!

Do you live under a rock? Do a little reading on Stonewall and TRA’s if you don’t understand why sex and gender should not be confused. Language matters, particularly when women’s sex-based rights are in question. Continuing to misuse gender instead of sex is problematic.

Gender reveal parties are also problematic as children shouldn’t be pushed towards a gender stereotype before they are even born! Just let them be who they are, in their own bodies.

DdraigGoch · 30/08/2022 22:33

Catlover77 · 30/08/2022 20:31

I’ll join the kitchen party please. Babies don’t have a gender

Given that the sort of people who have these "gender (sex) reveal parties" are quite likely to be the type to go straight out to buy a load of blue paint and toy cars if they are having a son, or pink paint and dollies if a daughter then "gender" seems to be perfectly appropriate in this circumstance. For those parents gender stereotypes are firmly tied into one's sex.

Westernesse · 30/08/2022 22:33

I think it is such odd behaviour. When you are having a child there’s a 50/50 chance so what is the mental rationalise behind being disappointed one way or the other? People know what they are getting into on this matter; the child will be male or female.

I think it takes a callousness and shallowness to actually be disappointed about your entirely innocent child when it hasn’t even had a chance to be born yet.

or perhaps emotional immaturity and a portent of the next generation of narc parents.

Wouldloveanother · 30/08/2022 22:34

@StClare101 but nobody wants to say ‘sex reveal parties’ do they? Ffs it sounds like an orgy

Holly60 · 30/08/2022 22:35

@PonyTime so I presume you've sex-selected for girls then, given your comments?

It sounds like you've got very prescriptive ideas of what you expect from them! What happens if they want to live abroad/ not get married/ not have their own DC/ prefer their in-laws/ get married to a woman etc etc?

I feel like you've set yourself up for disappointment a little bit!

When my two (b/g) were young I lived next to a woman with two girls. We keep in touch and whilst my two and their families live near me and visit a lot and I do lots of childcare, she doesn't really see her daughters. They love each other dearly but one lives abroad and one lives a very independent life.

My friend doesn't mind at all as she just wants them to be happy. Are you going to be ok if your children follow their own path and don't conform to what you expected of them?

turquoise1988 · 30/08/2022 22:37

@StClare101 I think you misunderstand.

Of course I understand the difference between sex and gender. I just don't get the constant need for certain posters to hop onto threads like this and berate the OP for saying 'gender reveal' instead of 'sex reveal.'

In the real world, they are known as gender reveals, whether 'correct' or not!

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