Had my Limit on the Weird Neighbours

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I have had a couple of Threads on here about the issues I have with some neighbours. On both threads over 80% said I was not being unreasonable. They have really annoyed me with their carry on now. I am trying to think of a way of getting an end to this carry.
I have spoken to Police and Social Work. I am disabled and as such that is a Protected Characteristic. It is supposedly illegal to treat me badly. This is also a recorded diary of the conduct by official parties. The Management Company are also aware.
The last suggestion from the Police was that I should tell my relatives. At first I thought this was not an idea to be considered but as this constant harassment continues I am reconsidering that option. I will not be hanging around if that is the only viable option
I think that there is possibility that this is a mental health issue causing their conduct however that may be me being too kind to bad people. They might be just nasty all the way through. I am now thinking of contacting the local GP Surgeries to try to have them investigate. I am very worried and scared living with the uncertainty of what they are going to do next.
I feel that I am about to be unable to stay in my house safely and without fear. They are totally irrational.
Would writing to the GP be a good option ?

In your previous thread I don’t think your neighbours were harassing you, they were protesting what they considered to be your inappropriate use of communal land. They didn’t think putting construction waste on communal land while you had work done was appropriate and you did, that’s a reasonable thing for them to protest about. Even if you disagree with them, trying to use the police to shut them down was pretty aggressive. It’s no wonder you aren’t on good terms.

What have they done since?

Ok, so i have read through your previous thread.

I think your neighbours are arseholes and tbh I really think you need to just completely ignore them and I genuinely think my only response would be ... fuck off... each and everytime.

I think you are possibly referring to the equality act when you say disabled people aren't allowed to be treated badly. I think you are mis-interpreting it though. That legislation is mainly for disabled people at work etc. Its not meant for the general public not being allowed to be dicks to their neighbours. The legislation that could possible cover you would be one under harrassment/abuse.

In regards to the GP I think your are mistaken a mental health problem with a psychiatric illness and that's what you maybe mean by getting a gp to investigate. A gp would not investigate this, they are not qualified to do so and not only that they would not be allowed to discuss another patient with you even if it was just you doing all the talking. I think you are referring to when people call what is in my locality, the acute psychiatric service, out of concern for an person's welfare who is displaying signs of a psychiatric disorder such as schizophrenia etc. In your scenario the GP cannot help you and from what little information I have I don't think a psychiatrist can help either.

What you need to be doing is documenting it and reporting it to both the council, landlord (if you have one) and the police.

I think, could be wrong here, that the reason you are mentioning your family and that the police have mentioned your family is because the are well known and bot for good reason? To be feared? If so, that's not a good idea, it will makes things worse.

The best thing to do is ignore and document.

Tell your family to have a word with the neighbour....job done

With all due respect OP, you've opened the thread with the idea that you will phone the local GP surgeries to establish if any of your neighbours suffer from poor mental health. Do you actually realise how completely off the wall this is? It sounds to me like you may be suffering with your own mental health (feelings of persecution, stress, paranoia etc) and I would strongly suggest that you contact your own surgery and make an appointment to discuss how you are feeling.

From what I gather you were completely in the wrong to dump your kitchen cabinets in a communal garden (irrespective of them being 'folded up') and you encountered a vile neighbour who became aggressive when he took you to task about it. To have gone down a rabbit hole of invoking lots of services on foot of this is off the wall.

A GP has as much a duty of confidentiality as a solicitor has.

There is No Way any GP would investigate anyone - that is 100% not their business. To be honest, you asking that would probably flag you up in their mind as having possible mental health issues yourself.

(Apart from which there's not a GP in the UK who's not already overworked trying to keep the NHS alive and their patients seen!)

Have you tried getting Citizens Advice to help you? They usually have a solicitor who volunteers his/her service free one day a week, and will give advice - in my case, also going so far as to send the first "legal warning" letter for me, which did the trick.

As PP's say, it's not - sadly - illegal to be nasty to people. However if the nastiness results in putting the person being abused into "a state of fear or alarm" that IS (at least in Scotland) an offence and the police do have a duty to intervene in such a case.

I just looked up how England deals with this (sorry I haven't time to look up Wales and N.Ireland!) and if you live there, here's what you need to know:

Section 2 of the Protection from Harassment Act 1997 as amended (PHA), and 'putting people in fear of violence' offences under section 4 of the PHA. The term can also include harassment by two or more defendants against an individual or harassment against more than one victim.

A prosecution under section 2 or 4 requires proof of harassment. In addition, there must be evidence to prove the conduct was targeted at an individual, was calculated to alarm or cause him/her distress, and was oppressive and unreasonable.

Next time you speak to the police tell them you expect them to act, based on this legislation.

Good luck

If your neighbour speaks to you again, tell him to bugger off, he sounds like he has nothing better to do so is harassing people for stupid minor things. It is none of his business, he’s not the police, he needs to stfu.

OP why do you keep making new threads? You’ve plenty of room on the first two.

They’re unpleasant, and as many PP have pointed out, whilst it’s irritating, it’s not illegal.

OP, I do get the impression that with all due respect you may be responding in a way that is not entirely rational. Search inside yourself and ask whether there's really nothing you can do to relax the situation rather than escalate it. It seems you take things to heart very strongly. Without knowing what the neighbours are now doing, it is hard to gage whether you are having a reasonable response.

Do you want to calm the situation? People could help you with that but they might need more details.

I suggest people take care to be sensitive on this thread.

OP. The GP can't realistically help you with this.
You are saying that both sets of neighbours are harassing you as well as one of the Fitters.

The GP cannot help you with this.

I'm rather concerned that neighbours and fitters seem to be upsetting you yet you won't accept help from your family.

Has something else happened to upset both of your neighbours during this refit ?

OP do you have a social worker for yourself? It might be worth asking them to raise the situation as a safeguarding issue with relation to you. Sometimes certain words can trigger some sort of action and I’ve found that ‘safeguarding’ is one of those words. If you don’t have social worker then you could go to your GP and ask them to raise it as a safeguarding concern.

I feel like I’m living in a parallel universe.

My family are not the Mafia.
I did not any at time think that a GP would tell me anything
The point is do I assume they are fit and healthy, tell the family and let that develop as it may or do I assume mental illness and assist by alerting a GP?
It will be illegal if their dodgy carry on scares me to death, my physical health including heart is not good.
My disabilities are a result of an accident and I can have panic attacks.
The property is all owned.
I have to pass their door to get out. It is a block of flats
I feel vulnerable on the stairs and enclosed landings
The council do rubbish uplifts I do not control the council, they pick up in their own time.
If I do move I will not want anywhere with any communal areas. This has put me right off.

I did not know to continue old threads - got it now

Are they being aggressive to you regularly? Or are you still angry about the cabinets thing?

The Fitters did not trouble me at all. They were pleasant but as the workers they took the wood outside not me. The fitters were willing to speak to this man but he would not speak to them.
I might try dropping the safeguarding word into a conversation,
I can manage to pronounce the words F- O but it is really not my usual way of speaking.
There are 10 near neighbours and about 70 or 80 surrounding. None of them bother me. These neighbours can not keep their noses out of what goes on in the whole estate.

@excitingusername I am not angry about the cabinets at all but perhaps they are and want to find fault with me. I rarely go out these days and that is not what I want but passing their door and thinking they might open the door with more moans is not pleasant.

So it is 2 neighbours who are bothering you? Are they opening their door and talking to you when you go out of your home? What are they saying and doing?

Ignore people telling you to tell him to swear at him. That's not helpful.

The neighbours have complained to you about the kitchen cabinets being left out and that's it?

OK so you've established that this is a block of flats.

I think that paints a different scenario from thinking it's individual houses.

The old cabinets were taken outside and left in a communal area and this would explain why more than one neighbour complained.

It makes sense now.

Did you speak to your neighbours about your plans prior to work starting? Things are different when you live in a flat. You really should inform direct neighbours of any noise disturbance, building work and mess you are planning. It is not ok to assume you can store waste in communal areas. That is their property too. Parking is often "residents only". If there are no visitor spaces then visitors need to park elsewhere or you do so they can use your space. I do wonder how many of these issues you are experience are down to a lack of communication.

The cabinets being dismantled and laid outside for the council to uplift was over 2 months ago now. I consider that dealt with. No longer outside, have not been out for nearly 2 months now.
I am not the one continuing a moan a minute situation here.
I think they know they went way over the top and are having difficulty backing down from that.
As a PP said there are more people in their household than in mine. They also have a single occupant of a flat who seems to go along with all that they say.
To me this is a lesson learned. Definitely do not buy a property that has any communal areas
I just want to go in and out without a door opening and a complaint coming. The latest is an impossible situation but quite outing. I can not physically do what they accuse me of. I don't think anyone could even if they were in top health.

Right.

But did you ask them if it was ok to leave waste in the communal area? Or did you just do it? You can not do things like that without discussion and permission from the other joint owners. If that's what you did, if you just allowed your waste to be put outside without prior discussion with your neighbours, then you are the one in the wrong and your insistence that it is them who is wrong and your refusal to apologise is what's causing the bad atmosphere in the building.

You are being unreasonable.

From what I recall you have moved in to flats where there are usually rules about things that can be done in communal areas (garden, car park, rubbish area etc.). Instead of familiarising yourself with these to fit in with your neighbours, you decided they were petty and don't apply to you.

You need to ignore and live your life. Not going out your door in case you bump into them is ridiculous. Get a grip, OP. Swearing/ confrontation/ using your influential/ angry/ violent family are just going to inflame things.

Kill them with kindness- smile, good-morning, no time to chat etc- may just work. An apology for breaking the rules may also work. YABU.

do I assume they are fit and healthy, tell the family and let that develop as it may
What do you mean by that? If you tell your family that your neighbours are harassing you, how do you think that will "develop"? What are you expecting them to do? You sound vaguely threatening there.

do I assume mental illness and assist by alerting a GP?
So you are going to speak to a GP (how you are going to find who the neighbours' GP is, is another matter entirely) and you think they are going to take your word that these people have some kind of undefined mental illness and are then going to do - what? Send an ambulance? Call social services? You must realise this is a ridiculous idea.