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To not want to eat halal meat?

297 replies

PinkRiceKrispies · 28/08/2022 12:24

Most restaurants serve it now, especially my favourite which is Indian food. Finding it more and more difficult to find somewhere that doesn't?

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VladmirsPoutine · 28/08/2022 14:35

This thread is really pushing the limits of acceptable xenophobia if not racism.

W00p · 28/08/2022 14:35

Do you have similar reservations about kosher meat?

AgeofAdelaide · 28/08/2022 14:36

@mumboss1984 sorry but it is not clear? Which aspect of the halal process don’t you agree with? And are you fine with all other animal slaughter processes by comparison?

JulyDreams · 28/08/2022 14:36

OP totally agree. Can't stand it.
Aren't all KFC's halal now?

mumboss1984 · 28/08/2022 14:37

I agree. I feel like I am being questioned as being racist because I don’t agree with what I deem to be a cruel process and therefore choose to eat vegetarian instead.

JulyDreams · 28/08/2022 14:37

Sceptre86 · 28/08/2022 12:49

Oh get over yourself there are plenty of Indian places that don't serve halal meat. Plenty of other restaurants, Italian, Chinese don't serve halal meat.

About 99% of them do though.

PriamFarrl · 28/08/2022 14:37

mumboss1984 · 28/08/2022 14:33

All of it and no one can make me feel otherwise. People are entitled to their own choices and that is mine.

All of what though?
I’m not I interested in changing anyones mind. I just want to know what exactly it is that people think is different.

38daystogo · 28/08/2022 14:38

Enb76 · 28/08/2022 12:35

I don’t see the issue with halal - you’re eating meat. I would rather people took greater interest in how animals live rather than how they die. Death is a fleeting moment in an animals life so I’m not fussed about the method of slaughter. I care a lot that my meat is high welfare.

Exactly. It's a bit rich if your going to eat the meat.... anyway.

GretaVanFleet · 28/08/2022 14:38

I am not Muslim and I do eat meat. If you have a problem with one kind of slaughter I wonder why another kind is acceptable. All meat comes from the animal being slaughtered. There’s a gun firing a bolt into the brain, a non penetrative bolt fired into the brain, electrocution, gassing or a large cut across the neck. None sound particularly great for the animals and so how one can be classed as more humane than another I find strange. Maybe you should consider vegetarianism.

mumboss1984 · 28/08/2022 14:39

Yes, they also don’t the animals I believe.

BerryBerryBerryBerry · 28/08/2022 14:41

GretaVanFleet · 28/08/2022 14:38

I am not Muslim and I do eat meat. If you have a problem with one kind of slaughter I wonder why another kind is acceptable. All meat comes from the animal being slaughtered. There’s a gun firing a bolt into the brain, a non penetrative bolt fired into the brain, electrocution, gassing or a large cut across the neck. None sound particularly great for the animals and so how one can be classed as more humane than another I find strange. Maybe you should consider vegetarianism.

It's also about the whole husbandry. Screaming mothers who have their newborns taken from them. If someone on tiktok breeding cute pets posted that, they would be lynched.

mumboss1984 · 28/08/2022 14:41

Yes, they also don’t stun the animals for Kosher I believe.

MarshaMelrose · 28/08/2022 14:44

FizzyTango · 28/08/2022 12:50

In order for meat to be halal there are other considerations such as better welfare and the animal must be appropriately fed and watered before it is killed as a respect to the animal's life.
Whereas in other slaughterhouses animals are starved and not given food or water when they are transported to their deaths to reduce fecal output and make them easier to gut. The last few days of an animal's life is even more cruel than the rest of it. So for me halal is preferable.
Also the clean cut for halal is swift, far preferable to being stunned.
If we eat meat produced on a mass scale, it is horribly cruel anyway so people need to stop being sanctimonious about it. Because you are just splitting hairs at this point and racial bias is probably having more of an infuence than you realise.

This is such absolute rubbish. There are laws in place concerning the care and welfare of animals in a slaughterhouse, including providing food, water and resting facilities. If you have reason to believe a slaughterhouse is not following any of those provisions, you should report it either the FSA or the RSPCA.
Slitting in animals throat without stunning is a cruel practice. It can take a considerable length of time for a cow to bleed out and if you'd seen it, you would not be using the word swift. In fact, many Muslims themselves disagree with you as about 60% of halal meat is prestunned. Why would they do that if they thought that pre-stunning was more cruel than just doing a clean cut?
There's nothing racist in saying that both kosher and halal meat should be pre-stunned as its the least cruel way to slaughter animals for meat.

BerryBerryBerryBerry · 28/08/2022 14:46

MarshaMelrose · 28/08/2022 14:44

This is such absolute rubbish. There are laws in place concerning the care and welfare of animals in a slaughterhouse, including providing food, water and resting facilities. If you have reason to believe a slaughterhouse is not following any of those provisions, you should report it either the FSA or the RSPCA.
Slitting in animals throat without stunning is a cruel practice. It can take a considerable length of time for a cow to bleed out and if you'd seen it, you would not be using the word swift. In fact, many Muslims themselves disagree with you as about 60% of halal meat is prestunned. Why would they do that if they thought that pre-stunning was more cruel than just doing a clean cut?
There's nothing racist in saying that both kosher and halal meat should be pre-stunned as its the least cruel way to slaughter animals for meat.

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Well aren't you so lucky that DEFRA, the RSPCA and the police are such great enforcers. Oh, hang on a minute British Empire, you are no more civilised that the peasants who came from poor, religious countries.

RealBecca · 28/08/2022 14:49

@BabyDreamers if you ae thinking of veggie then consider dairy too. Have a look and see what it's all about. Arguably worse than some meat production.

Viviennemary · 28/08/2022 14:50

I am not keen on the idea of halal meat. But I agree the whole business of slaughterhouses is grim

GlassDeli · 28/08/2022 14:50

The RSPCA can only act within the law. That's why they lobby for change and have campaigns like the one above.

MarshaMelrose · 28/08/2022 14:51

GretaVanFleet · 28/08/2022 14:38

I am not Muslim and I do eat meat. If you have a problem with one kind of slaughter I wonder why another kind is acceptable. All meat comes from the animal being slaughtered. There’s a gun firing a bolt into the brain, a non penetrative bolt fired into the brain, electrocution, gassing or a large cut across the neck. None sound particularly great for the animals and so how one can be classed as more humane than another I find strange. Maybe you should consider vegetarianism.

There a big difference. A cow that is properly prestunned knows nothing once its had a captive bolt shot into its brain. A cow that has not, does. Because if a cows physiology it can take up to 9 minutes for it to bleed out which is pretty distressing when it's conscious.
While there's no good outcome of an animal entering a slaughterhouse, surely it's incumbent on us to make sure the least painful and distressing method is used?

TheEggChair · 28/08/2022 14:52

Pre stunning animals isn't always accurate and animals often suffer in the process. Let's be clear, slaughtering animals by whichever method you choose, isn't going to be pain free and kind. So all the posters wringing their hands with their sanctimonious 'I eat meat but never halal as it's cruel' are talking bullshit. Killing an animal for their meat is cruel so stop the xenophobic whataboutery.

Carpy88999 · 28/08/2022 14:53

bendmeoverbackwards · 28/08/2022 14:31

I don’t think being vegetarian or vegan is enough if you care about animal welfare. Unless there is evidence to show that the rise in vegetarianism is linked to a drop in meat production.

Then what do you suggest? I'm a vegan because I don't want a penny of my money directly supporting the cruel and barbaric animal farming industries.

StepAwayFromGoogling · 28/08/2022 14:55

Nobetterthansheoughttobe · 28/08/2022 12:38

Have you seen how slaughter houses work? The initial stub does not always work, so animaly are strung onto the machinery while still sentinent; a hook through the ankle and hung upside down. Then their throats are cut.
Halal and Kosher slaughter on the other hand, is one cut, from an appropriately trained person and is virtually painless.
Incidentally, on farms in New Zealand, a single animal for fsmily consumption will often be despatched with a single cut

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This is absolute horse shit. At no abattoir in the UK is a conscious animal strung up. If the initial stun doesn't work - which is fleetingly rare - the animal is immediately re-stunned.

ReadtheFT · 28/08/2022 14:56

MarshaMelrose · 28/08/2022 14:44

This is such absolute rubbish. There are laws in place concerning the care and welfare of animals in a slaughterhouse, including providing food, water and resting facilities. If you have reason to believe a slaughterhouse is not following any of those provisions, you should report it either the FSA or the RSPCA.
Slitting in animals throat without stunning is a cruel practice. It can take a considerable length of time for a cow to bleed out and if you'd seen it, you would not be using the word swift. In fact, many Muslims themselves disagree with you as about 60% of halal meat is prestunned. Why would they do that if they thought that pre-stunning was more cruel than just doing a clean cut?
There's nothing racist in saying that both kosher and halal meat should be pre-stunned as its the least cruel way to slaughter animals for meat.

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The animal doesn't slowly bleed out,the arterial vein and the trachea are cut in a quick movement so massive bleed and no oxygen to the brain.death comes very quickly.
Some people think a cut is made to the neck and the animal still alive is hang upside down to slowly bleed to death which is bullshit.

Suedomin · 28/08/2022 14:56

Why don't you want to eat Halal meat. Do you feel the same about Kosher meat? It's a genuine question and I would like to understand your reasoning.

ConsuelaHammock · 28/08/2022 14:57

My husband is a farmer . The only difference in halal is a prayer being said before they are slaughtered. Who’s going to stand behind a 1000kg bullock and slit its throat ?