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Is there anything more repulsive than Boris Johnson pretending to give a shit about Ukraine?

132 replies

coffeerevelsrule · 24/08/2022 17:35

Has he no shame?

And is there anyone stupid enough to fall for today's crass publicity stunt?

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Mooda · 24/08/2022 18:26

YANBU

Johnson and his cronies in the Conservative party turned a blind eye to Putin's activity in Crimea in 2014, ignored Ukraine's pleas for support in the aftermath of that, allowed London to become awash with Russian money, actively encouraged Russian oligarchs to financially support the Tory party (note the quiet deletion of Ben Elliott's website immediately after Russia's invasion) and to add insult to injury put the son of a Russian KGB officer in the House of Lords against official advice. All this emboldened Putin.

Yes dear old 'Boris' has clearly enjoyed playing the war hero and cosying up to Zelenskyy - and basking in his charisma - but everything he did up to the invasion was hugely helpful to Putin, and it would be naive not to understand that.

Why do the Ukrainians love Johnson so much? Presumably because god knows how much UK tax payers money has been funnelled to Ukraine. I'm not saying that I disagree with that necessarily but the cost to the UK is far from clear - and Johnson is a man who is quick to spend other people's money and let others worry about the consequences of that.

Flutterbybudget · 24/08/2022 18:28

Nothing worse than people making out that they care about others, when actually their behaviour screams otherwise, unless those people serve a purpose to them. Pretty much any hypocrisy,
And I doubt that there’s anyone than say, hand on heart, that they are never hypocritical.

Kendodd · 24/08/2022 18:28

Keepingupappearance · 24/08/2022 17:47

I support his position on the war. But it is very naive to think his position is because he cares about people or juditce

I agree
His support for Ukraine has been the only decent things he's done. The only reason he's done it though is for his own ego. I bet he was cracking open the champagne when Putin invaded Ukraine.

roses2 · 24/08/2022 18:29

greenalltheway · 24/08/2022 18:07

The man is leaving as PM in a couple of weeks and literally doesn't HAVE to travel to a country in the thick of war on a day of heightened fears of attacks on civilians.

You can hate the man and hate the party but christ on a bike... I doubt very much he's risking his life for the lolz and attention today.

Putins not an idiot. He's not going to take out any other leader or even Zelensky otherwise there will be hell to pay. He's waiting for Zelensky to concede so he can legitimately take over Ukraine.

If he wins by violence then the sanctions will remain. If Ukraine concede then the rest of the world can't say shit and will have to remove the sanctions.

Cornettoninja · 24/08/2022 18:30

Mooda · 24/08/2022 18:26

YANBU

Johnson and his cronies in the Conservative party turned a blind eye to Putin's activity in Crimea in 2014, ignored Ukraine's pleas for support in the aftermath of that, allowed London to become awash with Russian money, actively encouraged Russian oligarchs to financially support the Tory party (note the quiet deletion of Ben Elliott's website immediately after Russia's invasion) and to add insult to injury put the son of a Russian KGB officer in the House of Lords against official advice. All this emboldened Putin.

Yes dear old 'Boris' has clearly enjoyed playing the war hero and cosying up to Zelenskyy - and basking in his charisma - but everything he did up to the invasion was hugely helpful to Putin, and it would be naive not to understand that.

Why do the Ukrainians love Johnson so much? Presumably because god knows how much UK tax payers money has been funnelled to Ukraine. I'm not saying that I disagree with that necessarily but the cost to the UK is far from clear - and Johnson is a man who is quick to spend other people's money and let others worry about the consequences of that.

Great post. It’s easy to be generous with other peoples money isn’t it?

Crankley · 24/08/2022 18:31

Ye there is, I think your OP is more repulsive.

StillGoingStrongToday · 24/08/2022 18:32

Blossomtoes · 24/08/2022 18:21

And your point is?

That the president of Ukraine better understands what Johnson has done for his country than an anonymous ignorant gobshite mouthing off from behind a keyboard on the internet.

x2boys · 24/08/2022 18:33

Well President Zelensky seems to appreciate him you know the actual President of the Ukraine .

RafaistheKingofClay · 24/08/2022 18:36

Elmore · 24/08/2022 17:49

Is their anything more repulsive than people using the illegal invasion of another country to signal their distaste for a politician on the internet?

Using the illegal invasion of a country to garner political support when you are facing bad publicity at home?

Blossomtoes · 24/08/2022 18:36

StillGoingStrongToday · 24/08/2022 18:32

That the president of Ukraine better understands what Johnson has done for his country than an anonymous ignorant gobshite mouthing off from behind a keyboard on the internet.

Well obviously you’d be pleased if another country’s tax payers funded your war.

Cornettoninja · 24/08/2022 18:43

x2boys · 24/08/2022 18:33

Well President Zelensky seems to appreciate him you know the actual President of the Ukraine .

What does that prove? Boris and co ‘appreciated’ Russian oligarchs and donors, so much so they gave them seats in the House of Lords against security advice. What’s Zelensky’s opinion on that I wonder? Or is it that he’s in a desperate position and keeps his cash cow topped up with admiration?

I support Ukraine, but let’s not pretend Boris is doing anything but taking advantage of the opportunity to play Churchill and that benefits Zelensky. Where were the tories when Crimea and Donbas were invaded? Where have they been for the last seven years?

TimeFlysWhenYoureHavingRum · 24/08/2022 18:44

Yanbu. A lot of people on here seem to be overlooking (or unaware of) the fact that the Tory Party has been accepting dubious Russian donations (and make no mistake - all oligarchs money can be traced back to Putin) for decades.
Johnson attended the birthday party of a former KGB colonel the DAY AFTER being elected PM and later put the same man's son in the House of Lords.
MI6 have flagged another off the books meeting Johnson had with Russian top brass as a "risk to national security".
All of the above is on record.
The man is a shameless grifter at best. A traitor to the UK and Ukraine at worst. Despicable.

Riapia · 24/08/2022 18:46

Hatred is the ugliest of emotions.
As we have all witnessed here.

Justcallmebebes · 24/08/2022 18:56

I couldn't disagree more. It's the one thing he's got right

Cornettoninja · 24/08/2022 18:58

Riapia · 24/08/2022 18:46

Hatred is the ugliest of emotions.
As we have all witnessed here.

No, I think greed is pretty repulsive.

Hawkins001 · 24/08/2022 19:06

coffeerevelsrule · 24/08/2022 17:35

Has he no shame?

And is there anyone stupid enough to fall for today's crass publicity stunt?

What's the alternative ?

torquewench · 24/08/2022 19:07

No more shameful than everyone else of his ilk jumping on the same bandwagon.

CapMarvel · 24/08/2022 19:08

Bozo is just living out a fantasy of being a war leader who commands respect.

When really he's just an inadequate cunt who is a few short weeks away from being a footnote in history.

Blossomtoes · 24/08/2022 19:10

Hawkins001 · 24/08/2022 19:06

What's the alternative ?

He could stay at home.

Cornettoninja · 24/08/2022 19:11

CapMarvel · 24/08/2022 19:08

Bozo is just living out a fantasy of being a war leader who commands respect.

When really he's just an inadequate cunt who is a few short weeks away from being a footnote in history.

That reminds me, I really should check whether ‘behind the bastards’ have done a podcast on him yet….

MarshaMelrose · 24/08/2022 19:15

Blossomtoes · 24/08/2022 18:36

Well obviously you’d be pleased if another country’s tax payers funded your war.

It's not Ukraine's war. It's Russia's. Ukraine has done nothing wrong other than not to want to be a Russian stooge. If the UK was attacked by China, wouldn't we expect aid in the form of arms and money from our allies?

coffeerevelsrule · 24/08/2022 19:15

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Wow - charming! When you went digging for dirt on me (bit desperate, but, hey...) it's a shame you made some massive reaches from my post. I didn't say I can't support myself, I said I'm worried about money. I gave my monthly take home pay, which, if you were a little bit knowledgeable, you would have been able to roughly work out means my gross pay is about £49000. Not brilliant but not really a 'not very good job'. I'm also a single parent who gets no CMS so that's all there is. And I didn't say I had spend all my money long before pay day, I said I had less than usual left by this point this month.

As a professional working in the public sector there has been a pay freeze for the vast majority of my career (17 years). And while I do take responsibility for myself, that has been at least partly a political decision, so, yes, the likes of Johnson are at least partly the reason why my money doesn't stretch further each month.

But maybe you like jumping to conclusions. Like - 'oh, there's a proven liar saying something that casts him in a good light - that'll be true...'

I do wonder why people with your mindset seem to expect so much more from ordinary people than those in power who are in the position to make lives so much better but, in Johnson's case, just cba. You're so quick to leap to his defence when I would put money on the fact that he wouldn't spit on you if you were on fire. Sad.

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badbaduncle · 24/08/2022 20:49

I think that BJ cares a huge amount about Ukraine because Russia winning will effect his personal finances

Keepingupappearance · 24/08/2022 20:55

@badbaduncle in what way? I’ve always been confused about Boris and the Tory’s courting Russians but then going so hardcore about Ukraine.

I have not the least doubt that it’s. Or because of personal ethics. But I’m confused about what his interests are??

StoneofDestiny · 24/08/2022 21:00

We all care about Ukraine.
However, I'm certain his care is coupled and driven with a desire to make a name for himself as a 'statesman', a reputation he could not get any other way.

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