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for not wanting to be Legal Guardian to my friend's son? *MNHQ title edit as per request*

105 replies

TurtleCavalryIsSeriousShit · 24/08/2022 08:11

I have debated on writing this as I feel like an awful person.

And this is long, sorry.

Firstly, we are not in the UK. We live in a country that has no real social housing/help.

Friend's son is 17. He is ADHD, ASD and has various other issues, dyspraxia, dyslexia, dyscalculia, and so on. He plays PC games all day while his mum works. He's a very sweet boy and will do some chores around the house if he is reminded, but is mentally around 7-9, I would say.

They live in a cottage on our property. We barely charge them rent, and despite having a good job, Friend is struggling financially. Son also has to have a fully cooked meal, meat and veg, every night.

I love him, have known him since he was 3 years old, but I don't want to be legally responsible for him if something happens to Friend. Friend has struggled with depression and self harming her whole life and drinks a lot (I do too, so no judgement, just background). She will go through periods where she seriously considers suicide. This is why they now live on our property, so that there is someone around in case things go bad.

She separated from his dad when he was around 6 I think. His dad was in the picture, but never really learned how to deal with the meltdowns and as Son got older and bigger and more aggressive, his dad became aggressive too, until he headbutted Son and gave him a bloody nose. So now they have a restraining order against him. She has no family that can help. Actually, she has a brother and sister but isn't close to either and neither of them is financially well off.

She has not put any money aside for his future. He will not be able to hold a job down. He can't tell time or set an alarm clock.

I know I am a horrible person, but I do judge her a little bit for her choices. I can't help it. She was in a relationship with a very wealthy man for about 5 years. He paid for her to be a SAHM and she didn't put a penny away for the future, just lived it up in the moment. Didn't have a care in the world. And now she's stuck.

I look forward to when my own DC are grown up and leading their own independent lives. We are coming out of a terrible 6 years, where I am now physically disabled and my own son is paralyzed due to a car accident we were in. We are not a high income household, because I can't do the job I did previously, but we are putting money aside for our retirements. We did get a compensation payout since the accident was 100% not my fault, but this money is for our own son to be able to live independently one day. We live frugally and go without luxuries.

I know we are lucky to have only physical disabilities, although that makes life hard enough.

I lie awake at night and worry that we will have to look after her Son for the rest of our lives and we will have to fund it too. I have mentioned this to her and she just said that there is no-one else, so we are it. I think she thinks that since we have 'extra' money, this will not be a problem for us.

Am I horrible for feeling this way?

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GOODCAT · 24/08/2022 08:13

Being a godparent does not make you legally responsible for paying for him.

aSofaNearYou · 24/08/2022 08:14

I'm pretty sure being godmother does not make you legally responsible for a child, it's just a vague promise to spiritually guide them.

That said, it sounds like she IS expecting you to be his legal guardian if something happens to her!

Neolara · 24/08/2022 08:15

Blimey. No, of course you are not unreasonable for thinking like this. Your df is being massively presumptive to assume you will take on care of her Ds. Are there really no systems in the country for supporting adults with disabilities?

PiffleWiffleWoozle · 24/08/2022 08:15

Being a godparent definitely does not make you legally responsible!

But YANBU to say no, of course.

TurtleCavalryIsSeriousShit · 24/08/2022 08:15

She is trying to put us in her will as the legal guardians, sorry. I don't know why she calls it 'godmother'.

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PurpleDaisies · 24/08/2022 08:16

You need to look up what a godparent actually is. There is no possibility of you being forced to take on her son if she died and “there was none else”. Social services would sort out a suitable place for him to be.

Lying awake worrying about this seems a huge overreaction to something that is very unlikely to even become a real issue.

CharlesIsQueensHorcrux · 24/08/2022 08:17

I wonder if your friend considers you responsible now if anything happens to her? Her son lives on your property and she and he have no other significant relationships. If something happens to her, would you kick the son out? I think the godmother thing is a bit of a red herring.

TurtleCavalryIsSeriousShit · 24/08/2022 08:18

@Neolara no, there isn't really. It's not a 1st world country I'm afraid. Which is why it's so important to prepare for your future.

His dad is actually from the UK and offered to take him there a few years ago, but that fell through. So now they're stuck here.

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girlmom21 · 24/08/2022 08:18

Wow OP you've been through a lot! And you're doing an amazing thing for your friend just by supporting her as you have.

Please do have a serious conversation about how you're physically incapable of providing care for him if anything happens to her. If

TurtleCavalryIsSeriousShit · 24/08/2022 08:20

Bugger! I shouldn't have called it godmother. Apologies.

@CharlesIsQueensHorcrux This is the problem. Obviously there is no way that we can kick him out if something happens to her. I wish we never let them move onto our property, but I thought I was helping a friend out.

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TurtleCavalryIsSeriousShit · 24/08/2022 08:21

@girlmom21 Thank you. It's been a horrible few years, and a lot of hard times to come, but we can see a light at the end of the tunnel.

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ApolloandDaphne · 24/08/2022 08:21

I rather suspect it isn't legally binding to put your wishes for your children in a will without your explicit agreement. You need to tell her you cannot be part of this. She has obviously got the terminology wrong. She wants you to be his guardian not his godmother.

saraclara · 24/08/2022 08:22

No no no. You cannot take her son on, and you need to make that clear. You have your own difficulties in life, and she already seems to have benefited hugely from your generosity.

Surely the boy's father has to be responsible for him? How can someone else be made legal guardian when he had another parent?

JessicaBrassica · 24/08/2022 08:22

That sounds really hard.
Does being his god parent make you his legal guardian in the country that you're in? Because that's not the case in the UK. Is it just a moral obligation - which can be much harder. Is he a national of the country that you're living in? What is the usual procedure for adults with learning disabilities in your country? Is it generally family-based care?

CharlesIsQueensHorcrux · 24/08/2022 08:23

Just read your update about your friend wanting to make you legal guardian in her will. As @girlmom21 says, you must have a serious conversation with her and say you do not have the physical or financial resources to do this. And if possible encourage her to rebuild relationships with others who could fulfil this role especially her son’s father. I don’t know if you can stop her naming you in the will though, so be prepared to say no after she is gone if necessary. Sorry to sound heartless. Good luck 💐

saraclara · 24/08/2022 08:23

saraclara · 24/08/2022 08:22

No no no. You cannot take her son on, and you need to make that clear. You have your own difficulties in life, and she already seems to have benefited hugely from your generosity.

Surely the boy's father has to be responsible for him? How can someone else be made legal guardian when he had another parent?

Sorry. Idiotic of me not to have taken in the issues with his dad. Ignore the second paragraph.

IncompleteSenten · 24/08/2022 08:25

Her will doesn't obligate you to care for her son. It's not an enforceable contract.

TurtleCavalryIsSeriousShit · 24/08/2022 08:28

Gosh, thank you everyone so far. I have also wondered about the legality of it. But besides that, isn't it a moral problem (hence me lying awake at night).

I will HAVE to take him on. No moral, kind person would leave him to his own devices. Social care is really, really rubbish here. Like, literally, people die in care homes. Our government hospitals are shocking.

So someone will have to look after him and that someone is going to end up being me. And I resent that.

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HRTQueen · 24/08/2022 08:29

i have a few friends that use the term godparent meaning the friends that are mentioned in their will to become legal guardians of their children (I was confused by this too)

you have to be honest and say that this isn’t something you feel you can be. Her son is going to need lifetime support maybe where you are the support just isn’t there and is better in the UK (not great here)

it sounds as though he needs this now he has become very isolated and that is unlikely to change unless he has professional help

Pinkdelight3 · 24/08/2022 08:29

Might be worth msging Mumsnet to change the thread title to 'legal guardian' or you'll get a zillion irrelevant posts about godmothering.

YANBU at all OP. You may need to take more steps back so it doesn't happen anyway, regardless of the will. You have more than enough on your plate, which she needs to understand. I can see her predicament but by supporting her to live this way, you're feeding into her 'give an inch/take a mile' thinking and she needs to know you're not an option for this.

CharlotteSt · 24/08/2022 08:29

GOODCAT · 24/08/2022 08:13

Being a godparent does not make you legally responsible for paying for him.

I certainly hope it doesn't - I have eight godchildren!

(I am not Prince Charles)

MajorCarolDanvers · 24/08/2022 08:32

GOODCAT · 24/08/2022 08:13

Being a godparent does not make you legally responsible for paying for him.

Agree.

Being a god parent is about supporting their religious upbringing.

There is no legal responsibility that goes with it.

MargotChateau · 24/08/2022 08:32

@TurtleCavalryIsSeriousShit I empathise with your situation, but before making statements about dyslexia/dyscalculia, please be a little more informed.

I have both learning disabilities and cannot tell time (or list the months of the year in order or the alphabet) and I have a masters degree which I achieved on a full academic scholarship (as I did my undergraduate degree and years of private schooling).

I realise that this boy has severe disabilities, but listing that he can’t tell time etc, which is a classic sign of dyscalculia, really just increases stigma around a disability that has no bearing on the persons intellect.

FatAgainItsLettuceTime · 24/08/2022 08:33

You need to make sure you have up to date contact details and address for the sons father and you need to reiterate to your friend that you do not accept or want legal guardianship in the will.

If something were to happen to your friend then her ex, her sons dad would be the person who should be contacted.

TurtleCavalryIsSeriousShit · 24/08/2022 08:33

How do I message Mumsnet?

@CharlotteSt thanks, you made me chuckle 😀

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