Anyone else absolutely shocked of three innocent people in Liverpool all drug related!!

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If anyone reading this that takes recreational drugs should be absolutely ashamed of the carnage that their habit is causing…an innocent 9 year old ,20 year old and 22 year old have lost their lives because of other people shitty pastimes …think think think before you snort or smoke that poison!!

People can and do recreationally use hereion and don't become addicted. I agree generally though. I think introducing recreational heroin into such a shitty society as we currently have would be a disaster and I think you can look no further than the opioid crisis in the US for evidence.

many drugs are licensed as medicines. opioids for example.

however they are prescription only and in some cases highly restricted because they are very addictive and very dangerous if not used properly.

you can buy them from dealers at the street corners as well...

so. how would you legalise potent and potentially dangerous medicines that are currently sold illegally as drugs?

I was thinking this earlier this morning, as I read about Olivia. Any of the middle classes who think it is such a fucking lark to get off their tits on coke at the weekend should think about that little girl and where their filthy drugs come from.

many of us will have received heroin (licensed active substance diamorphine) for operative pain or during childbirth!

I agree everyone's child is vulnerable, but some are much more vulnerable than others and for most comfortable people, it's quite easy to believe this is something that happens to other people. Even when a more affluent child does get sucked in, they will usually have vulnerabilities such as DV or addiction at home, which means others without those problems can feel confident it won't happen to them. Which is why no one cares. 😥

If you knew anything about county lines, you would know this is simply untrue. Cheshire is a good example - look at how many middle class children with no vulnerabilities are drawn into dealing. Any parent who believes it couldn't happen to their child is delusional.

More, clear information will make certain drugs less appealing.

I don't think anyone wakes up and thinks today I will become a heroin addict.

If its untrue why does every resource from every legitimate organisation agree with the person you quoted?

Are you saying the police and NSPCC don't know anything about it?

Give it a rest. A bunch of obscenely rich wanker-bankers snorting coke is nothing like someone vulnerable and disadvantaged being pushed into prostitution.

You can make arguments about kids on estates getting drawn into drugs and gangs because of a lack of comparable legitimate options. But if there wasn't big money being pumped in at the other end, the whole trade wouldn't be worth so much. It's not rocket science.

I don't disagree, but the fact is people are thinking that. That's my point, people feel that this isn't happening to families like them.

O dont know if that's true. Are MC children without problems really involved that much in Cheshire?

I work with teens in the SE. We definitely see children from outwardly "nice" homes, but we don't see many (any?) who haven't had various trauma to get them to a place where they get involved in county lines.

So you're arguing that every middle class chid recruited to run a county line is vulnerable with no exception?

I'm a teacher, we do a lot of safeguarding training in this sphere. I absolutely agree that a lot of kids/teenagers are more vulnerable than their parents realise. But it's still true that there are clear, well researched and documented risk factors that make certain young people even more vulnerable than most.

"With better, more honest, information about the effects and risks of different recreational drugs and clean, legal supply I believe fewer people will end up in addiction in the first place"

How do you not get addicted to heroin?

If you want to make a comparison to prostitution, isn't blaming drug users to same as blaming the men who use prostitutes? Yes, they are to blame.

Nope. That's not what I or the poster you quoted said.

Why would you think that?

Spot on, OP. I like to remind people that what you are snorting up your nose likely came into the country up someone's arse.

My (multimillionaire) boss's son was kicked out of his very expensive private school for dealing drugs. They are a very loving family and the son certainly wasn't lacking in anything. It can definitely happen to any kid.

Part of the problem is new regulations banning the use of opiates in the community. Leaving patients without adequate painkillers and are driven to use drugs. We know someone who grows their own after losing a limb in Afghanistan . Not all drug users and growers are criminals or vile..

Totally agree with you OP.

Has anyone heard of supply and demand? To all the people who think it is harmless and the odd puff/tablet does you no harm, think again.

My dss died last year from a drug related incident. He started his slippery slope as a school boy with the odd puff of cannabis here and there. We tried to help him desperately for years but sadly he liked the affect the drugs gave him.

I wouldn't like any other family to suffer a loss of a child and would beg all parents to educate their children on this.

That's not necessarily the same thing. He may have been a gang member, but more likely he was selling small quantities purchased from his parents' dealer

Schools will exclude for dealing for one small transaction, obviously.

Hard agree.

But were I disagree is that the problem is individual men buying sex but rather that the whole thing is a product of how women are viewed by society.

In my view prostitution is different from any consumer good including drugs or alcohol.

Watch Neil woods episode of triggernometry on YouTube.

He's an ex undercover police officer, specifically working in drug crimes.

V eye opening as to how useless the current method of dealing with the war on drugs is.

His parents most certainly don't have a dealer! Very health-orientated sporty family and I know both very well. It wasn't such small quantities. They found quite a large supply when searching his room. Not sure of the details though. Just that my boss was totally beside himself.

That's awful and I am very sorry to hear it.

The problem is though for many many people the odd puff or tablet actually does no harm.

When we educate kids by saying that cannabis or ecstacy inevitably lead to addiction and death they get a bit older realise its actually completely untrue and don't trust anything else you told them.

He may well have been a gang member, I wouldn't pretend to know his circumstances. However surely we can all agree that he has much more chance of going on to live a fruitful and productive life than if he had the same amount of drugs in his bedroom on a council estate?

Drug trafficking and drug-related crime is an extremely complex issue that I won't pretend I know how to fix. But as pp have mentioned, there is suffering/war/evil related to almost any product available in some form, whether that's in the production, manufacturing or supply chain. e.g. 'fast fashion', diamonds, mobile phones, animal products, chocolate etc etc.

It has become impossible for the individual consumer to take responsibility for everything, or to live a life where you only buy things that haven't been involved in something unethical along the way.

I am not saying it is ok to take drugs; however, it is clear that you cannot simply blame the consumer.