To think size 18 is plus size and not 'hardly plus size'

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The poster, with a very large following, is saying a size 18 isn't really plus size by much, and that 'most people (in the UK), are above a Size 16?

Really? I don't know that many people above a size 16. I really don't. I know lots and lots of size 12/14 and thought that was about average? It's usually the first sizes to sell out

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That's a good point. @Simonjt do you honestly think I don't know I'm obese?

You want to fat shame me by changing the labelling? Why?

I've hardly a tooth in my head because I used to be anorexic but we never hear anyone talking about that as a risk.

I don’t understand how labelling as the measurement rather than the size is fat shaming? Do you think all men with a waist over our recommended waist size is fat shamed every time they buy an item of clothing?

I’ve seen people on this thread say their size varies depending on where they buy clothes etc, so I thought having measurement labels would be easier.

If you’re a size 16 (which I am) or above, you’re overweight. If you’re a size 8 or below you’re underweight. The language we use around size is distorting our thinking. We use words like fat, large, obese, heavy if talking about being overweight whereas the comparisons for talking about underweight are words like slim, petite, lean, slender, light.
Both states of being are unhealthy - our bodies are not able to function perfectly if we are not at an optimal weight. but our weight is only one determiner for good health. My grandma lived to 101 years old, but was a size 18-20 for most of her adult life whereas my dad died at 76 and was always the male equivalent of a size 10. Both were very active, dad smoked and ate a poor diet - no fruit and veg basically, whilst grandma didn’t smoke and ate 3 healthy meals a day (she loved cake though - always had a slice a day).
I think being body positive is a good thing, but we need to look at what we put (or don’t put) into our bodies. Pretending that a size 24 or a size 4 is healthy is just denying reality.

I don't know how many times we have to have this debate on MN:

Clothes sizes is meaningless because of vanity sizing and variations across brands.

The average woman in the UK is overweight so the average is not a good place to start.

Better measures of healthy weight are BMI and waist to height ratio. Neither are perfect but they're useful for the majority.

No, it's not possible to be "healthy fat". Individual people may be fat with no health implications right now but it will catch up with them in the end.

For balance, being underweight is bad too.

Oh luv.its a fucking horrific consequence that needs to be talked about more.we need so much more work on what eds actually are.forget the food/weight myth.its a fucking mental illness with horrid horrid ramifications.
I hope you not in too much pain or anguish with your mouth.it can't make it easier and I'm sorry for that.do you get support for it

Size 18 is definitely plus size. I'm size 12 and the biggest of all my UK friends (I'm not the only size 12 - there are others, but most are smaller! And nobody bigger.) And I have a large friendship group.

Other women I know outside of friendship group is mother (size 10), stepmother (size 12), stepsister (size 10).

If you’re a size 8 or below you’re underweight.

Not true. I wear size 8 M&S clothes and im currently just overweight. Of course I wouldn't get a size 8 pair of jeans from e.g. Zara past my thighs. Unless they were boyfriend jeans... and so on...

The current trend for voluminous summer dresses means that loads of women could wear size 8s despite all the rest of their clothes being larger sizes.

Clothes sizes are completely meaningless. I wish people would just stop using it as a proxy measure for healthy weights.

Well it depends. If someone is over 6ft & size 18 they wouldn't necessarily be plus size.

If you’re a size 8 or below you’re underweight.

Again depends on height, likely at 6ft. Short unlikely.

You can't look at size without looking at height imo.

I'm currently a size 18, 5ft 6in & weigh 14st (was 11.5st before lockdown) , classic hourglass that gains weight all over so I don't "look" as big as I am but I'm still definitely plus size.

I need to lose about 2.5st to get back to a size 12/14 which is my comfortable size - any smaller & I start to look awful because being thin just doesn't suit me or my body.

I'm currently aiming to get back to that by eating healthy (I don't do diets) & doing a 5 mile walk & Pilates 3 times a week (I don't do gyms either) but healthy eating & exercise costs time & money not to mention having the knowledge of what's healthy & a lot of people don't have any of those things.

I don't think it's good that being larger has become normalised & while there are definitely some outliers with medical conditions & weight gain caused by medication it definitely isn't normal or healthy for the majority of the population but when you have obese parents who have no knowledge of healthy foods & exercise or the money to provide these then you're going to end up with obese children growing up into another generation of obese adults with no knowledge of healthy foods or exercise so it's a vicious cycle - just like everything else in this shithole of a country is for those with no money.

If you’re a size 8 or below you’re underweight.

At 5ft6 I'm buying a size 8 (or 'extra small' in some shops ) but my bmi is 20.5. That's not underweight.

Correct

I think rightly so is that she thinks this is inclusive.l 18?! Jesus can't create clothes for the real fat bastard can we.bit a smaller fat is just about ok to coat me in sunshine.
There shouldn't be a plus size.just clothes sizes.
But this thread will turn out to be just the same as others on weight.fat shaming. Fat phobic.about like VB brands.
And all about caring about health.no really.no no REALLY.no YOU JUST DON'T LIKE FAT.
If you look it's actually more dangerous go be under than over.
And you do not know someone's health based on weight.
And you do not even need to discus.thwu are people.deservkng of respect.of not being shamed.of not being judged.or viewed for the size.they do not need labelling or help.they do not need the looks.they need clothes. They need bloody acceptance for however we all are in any given time.size is not the person ffks.it is becoming a real fucking problem.no not obesity bug disordered eating and society's views on food and weight.its becoming normal to be disordered.and it's making people feel utterly shit about themselves and falling prey to dick heads on the internet telling them they need,can must be thinner.thin is health.

I'm well aware that I'm fat. But I'm also aware of respecting people. Some posters are very selective about their friends. Which says a LOT. If you 'can't think' of a friend that doesn't fit your little set (fat, thin, tall short, black, brown, esl, gay, trans) then you need to stretch yourself.

I'm fat. Ok.

I get it. I'm fat.

Would it be better for me to be anorexic again?

Don't you think I know I'm fat? Life for me is a complex mix of autism, mental health issues, and physical disability.

I'm fed up seeing the threads on here about how terrible us fatties are and what a disgrace we are and could we not just eat healthy.

For many of us it is not that simple. Where's the understanding? Does it make you all feel good to oh so cleverly just under the surface sneer and judge?

I know I'm fat. I'm not stupid. This thread is a not very thinly veiled attack on fat women (and it's always women).

I am the size I am. I have to live my life. Shaming me doesn't work. Trust me. It doesn't.

Why would it be ok for me to be anorexic? Where's the shaming for that? And the self harm that that does?

I'm the fattest person I know and I'm a size 14. All my friends, family, people I associate with at the school etc, all slimmer than me. Tiny sample size compared to the whole of the UK I know, but size 16 being average sounds very odd to me.

I work in retail and I see a lot of women buying size 12 when they are clearly not . I personally think things look way better when they skip the fat hut some people wear things that don't do I don't think anyone knows what size they really are !

I am mostly a size 8/10 but I'm hourglass so often will buy size 12 as I think it looks better ..

I think I'm in the minority tbh!

And our sizes come up big so I think alot of denial goes on tbh!

Bit why does this annoy you so much?

I think that is the issue

Fuck off with the fat shaming on this thread.

I do think Victoria Beckham is a bit behind the times though if she's only just adding size 18 to her collection. I'm a size 16 & I'd be surprised if most shops don't cater for different shapes & sizes.

It doesn't matter what size you are if you're happy & comfortable with your body. I don't think I've ever been asked by friends what size I am & I wouldn't ask either it's just no one else's business & doesn't matter to me even a little bit.
There's loads of people who are fit, well & happy & they're all different body sizes & shapes.

Healthy fat is not a thing.health is a multi fasited thing you cannot define by weight.its behaviours not a size.its about more than food and weight. But there is a reason people when talking about health go to size and weight...because it's not about health! It's about fat phobic views.health is sleep,stress,availability to health practice ,enconic security,movement,job.but no-one mentions those.only bodily descriptors I wonder why.and then pretend they care about health.nope you just don't like fat.

Surprising how many people know the dress size of their female friends. So many pp referring to their friends and family members as being a size 10 or whatever. I doubt many men know or care what size clothing their male friends wear. We are our own worst enemies.

Absolutely agree.

awful thread.

It's size 16 the mean average (add everyone's size up and divide by number of people) or the mode average (most common size)?

People think talking about weight, dress size, obesity is goady. But it isn't.

I care about the average size of the UK population because I don't want the NHS to collapse under costs of type 2 diabetes.

I care because I don't want my kids to grow up thinking why not have more takeaways because I'm only a size 10 and most others are much bigger. It's still not healthy eating poorly regardless of size.

I don't want people to feel out of breath from using stairs or bending over. Falling when older due to poor balance and unstable joints due to weight. Being on medication everyday. Their back hurting, knees, shoulders and feet hurting.

I don't care what sizes are "plus" sizes. But I also don't want size 16+ to be considered normal or healthy. It hardly ever is (unless you're a 6" woman which is rare).

Not because I want to hurt others. But because I want my kids to understand that health matters and dress sizes can indicate there's a problem and stimulate change.

Personally my jeans becoming tight is my first trigger to reduce the crap I'm eating.

I care because I don't want my kids to grow up thinking why not have more takeaways because I'm only a size 10 and most others are much bigger. It's still not healthy eating poorly regardless of size.

I don't eat take always. Hth.

Agree. Awful thread.