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To think size 18 is plus size and not 'hardly plus size'

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sanddownthatwall · 22/08/2022 00:09

The poster, with a very large following, is saying a size 18 isn't really plus size by much, and that 'most people (in the UK), are above a Size 16?

Really? I don't know that many people above a size 16. I really don't. I know lots and lots of size 12/14 and thought that was about average? It's usually the first sizes to sell out

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CanDo92 · 22/08/2022 09:54

Richielogic · 22/08/2022 03:54

Well don’t care about others but as a guy I think size 18 is in the “Wow, would I” size range. Bloody gorgeous.

Monroe was a size 18. As the song goes “ It’s all about the base, about the base no treble”

confidence in yourself is the key, we are all different sizes with different preferences thank God. They can stick these charts...

Leaving aside the objectifying nature of your post, Marilyn Monroe was a modern-day 6-8 in US sizing.

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Rosehugger · 22/08/2022 09:54

Also, for such great societal change to have happened in 40 years or so, and for this condition to be affecting 66% of adults there is clearly a little bit more going on than a bunch of people lacking willpower or something.

The norm is absolutely to be overweight and for most people it is really difficult to be anything else.

BirdyWoof · 22/08/2022 09:54

Regardless of the arguments surrounding health, larger women still deserve to be able to dress nicely.

I was only in the “plus size” category for a fairly short amount of time (post pregnancy, have since lost most of the baby weight), but the selection of clothes was utterly shit.

As someone who was very into fashion and had a very particular style, it was so fucking depressing. How many cringy t shirts need to be made with fucking “freedom” on them?! Utterly shapeless dresses. Well, shapeless everything, actually.

People can be fat for a variety of reasons, and I fail to see why any of these reasons mean that someone shouldn’t have the opportunity to buy nice clothes that make them feel good in their own skin.

Quincythequince · 22/08/2022 09:54

laurelleafs · 22/08/2022 09:52

Shall I tell you what the point of these posts is? It's so public health board mumsnetters can put other women down and make them feel like shit when they go on the internet, at all times. There is no other reason for it.

It’s really not. But thank you for ever so patronisingly telling other women what they think and what their intentions were.

Sparklfairy · 22/08/2022 09:55

It’s also not great if you are on a long flight next to someone who’s extremely obese.

Don't mention that. There was a thread a few weeks ago about exactly this that ended up being deleted as the overweight people got upset and triggered and the people that objected to having the seat they paid for encroached on stood their ground about being called fat shamers. It was chaos.

laurelleafs · 22/08/2022 09:56

Quincythequince · 22/08/2022 09:54

It’s really not. But thank you for ever so patronisingly telling other women what they think and what their intentions were.

😂

alpenguin · 22/08/2022 09:58

Ah the mumsnet fat shamers are out in force. Just starve yourself, love, so mumsnetters are happier with your aesthetics… don’t dare wear anything that might show a simple in those thighs. Have you considered wearing vango ?

I drew the short straw… steroids for years at high doses for a very painful condition meaning I can no longer exercise, under active thyroid and a genetic predisposition to a particular body shape so I’m fat. Nice to know I disgust so many people and am fair game for shaming because I happen to be a 16-18 in womens clothes.

Teateaandmoretea · 22/08/2022 09:59

No. But you’re 6 feet tall. Average British woman is way way shorter.
It’s a silly comparison.

So the thread only applies to those who are 5.41/2 or whatever tiny height is average these days?

Women have got and are getting taller. I'm 5'10 and there are so many younger women these days who are taller than me.

latetothefisting · 22/08/2022 09:59

P3nnyroyaltea · 22/08/2022 00:24

I think you need to read what I also said? I didn’t say everyone was not eh same medication but people have health conditions etc that affect their weight? Ignorant on purpose or?

But nobody is saying that people size 18 or over are "bad" - you seem to be the only one inferring any sort of judgement. It doesn't matter if someone is bigger because of a side effect of their medication, or as a result of giving birth, or because they eat a lot, or have a sedentary lifestyle either through choice or through ill health, or just because of genetics.
The question being asked isn't "is being a size 18 or bigger bad" it's "is it normal" which has been conflated with "is it average".

mountainsunsets · 22/08/2022 09:59

Rosehugger · 22/08/2022 09:54

Also, for such great societal change to have happened in 40 years or so, and for this condition to be affecting 66% of adults there is clearly a little bit more going on than a bunch of people lacking willpower or something.

The norm is absolutely to be overweight and for most people it is really difficult to be anything else.

Exactly.

Lots of people have very complicated relationships with food. But it's not like an alcohol addiction or a drug addiction where you have the option if quitting, going cold turkey or using medication to help you overcome your addiction.

You need food to live. You can't just quit eating.

mountainsunsets · 22/08/2022 10:00

But nobody is saying that people size 18 or over are "bad"

No, they're just called huge and disgusting instead.

Tabbouleh · 22/08/2022 10:00

I might be wrong but I think only one poster said a 16 is disgusting? Which should be reported.

The rest have said it is overweight. Which is a word I apply to myself as well.

CanDo92 · 22/08/2022 10:01

Paq · 22/08/2022 07:32

@BarbaraofSeville

You obviously live somewhere unusual and have quite a limited circle that doesn't represent the population as a whole because statistics show that the majority of people in the UK are overweight or obese.

They could be wealthy. Obesity is far more prevalent in poorer areas. I went to Badminton Horse Trials this year - decidedly middle class - and there were noticeably fewer overweight/obese people there. It was fascinating.

Yes, I’ve not seen the data, but there does seem to be a significant difference at the population level based on wealth / social background.

Chouetted · 22/08/2022 10:01

Lineala · 22/08/2022 09:53

Size 16 now is what was a size 22 forty years ago. Of course a s16 is being overweight. And you can say whatever you choose, but you are will still be overweight in a 16.

This is an excellent example of the sort of comment I was talking about.

Unless I've misread, @Lineala asserts that someone who is a size 16 is overweight. Period. At any height, at any BMI.

StaunchMomma · 22/08/2022 10:02

Is that an 18 UK or US? 18 US is a UK 22 and there's no way THAT is 'hardly plus size'!!

Quincythequince · 22/08/2022 10:02

Teateaandmoretea · 22/08/2022 09:59

No. But you’re 6 feet tall. Average British woman is way way shorter.
It’s a silly comparison.

So the thread only applies to those who are 5.41/2 or whatever tiny height is average these days?

Women have got and are getting taller. I'm 5'10 and there are so many younger women these days who are taller than me.

It applies to averages
The conversation was about averages. Know what this is?

how can it be about anybody else In this type of forum. If you’re 6 ft and size 18, clearly you have more height to carry the weight over but will need as larger size due to a larger frame.

HoneyIShrunkThePizza · 22/08/2022 10:02

Loads of comments on that thread saying no one thin should design plus size clothes. So she's both work g of not going big enough and for expanding her range. I'm no VB fan in particular but seems she can't win here.

Quincythequince · 22/08/2022 10:02

And the average height is going up too btw.

CanDo92 · 22/08/2022 10:02

dribblewibble · 22/08/2022 07:33

@LastWordsOfALiar I'd say the physical disability I have is going to limit my life much more than my weight.

As is my autism which comes with a side of texture and food avoidance.

Add in previous anorexia (see above which led previously to ARFID) and I reckon I'm doing ok.

Ffs this thread is a bloody disgrace.

It’s not generally an either / or thing though. The health issues around obesity unfortunately tend to add to those caused by disability.

Deliaskis · 22/08/2022 10:03

Chouetted · 22/08/2022 10:01

This is an excellent example of the sort of comment I was talking about.

Unless I've misread, @Lineala asserts that someone who is a size 16 is overweight. Period. At any height, at any BMI.

Quite. Confidently and publicly wrong.

RedToothBrush · 22/08/2022 10:04

LastWordsOfALiar · 22/08/2022 09:42

I always said to myself that I wouldn't ask my kids to finish their plate.

The problem is my kids will eat half of their meal, claim theyre stuffed. Then 30 mins later ask for more food. So I end up saying, eat another few bites, to avoid the constant demands for snacks...

I should probably just refuse the snacks I guess.

I think there's a lot of guilt in saying no to food.

Food and guilt are definitely intertwined.

This is where the cultural norms of women 'being kind' are relevant too.

Its important to recognise this. Simply doing stuff like offering others food once and then accepting someone's first answer or not haranguing someone for refusing by being a Mrs Doyle makes a difference here.

We had friends around the other week for dinner. We ended up having a really interesting conversation about the word fat. She is fat and isn't afraid of the word and thought it curious that people avoided the word. She doesn't think it's helpful. She also doesn't think of the word fat as necessarily insulting. It's a descriptive word which can be used as an insult but it depends on the intent.

We definitely have different attitudes to food. She knows this but crucially she also recognises it puts her at increased health risks and she can't blame anyone.

The problem tend to be other people projecting their own insecurities and prejudices onto other people. This prevents us from having some of the crucial conversations and honesty we need around food.

It is the business of everyone to talk about a public health issue. The majority of the population being overweight is a public health issue. Covid should highlight this; age and weight were two of the biggest factors in determining how severely ill you might get. We should be talking about this and using the fat word rather than euphemisms. Using euphemisms is avoiding reality. If we see fat as a neutral word more often it also helps to have these conversations.

My friend laughed at me and how uncomfortable I felt about the word and why I didnt use it. But she does. It was interesting.

But yes, cultural creep into normalising 'body beautiful' probably isnt helping matters unfortunately.

BobMortimersPocketMeat · 22/08/2022 10:05

Unscented · 22/08/2022 09:27

Exactly you can't get fat or stay fat without eating too much. The reasons for eating too much are many and complex and there is definitely no easy fix in our world of plenty, but where food is scarce, no one is fat.

Are you a scientist? Do you know this from your own peer-reviewed research?

You’re wrong. Medical conditions, medication and medical treatments can all add weight without any change in eating habits.

Please don’t contribute misinformation.

Teateaandmoretea · 22/08/2022 10:05

The conversation was about averages. Know what this is?

🤣🤣🤣

oh do behave

BaileySharp · 22/08/2022 10:05

I think of plus size ranges starting from 18, so it's the low end but us plus side. What size means women are overweight is arguably a different question. Over a 12 probably? But I wouldn't expect a plus size range to go as low as 14. I thought the point of plus size ranges were that many high street stores don't go over size 16 so larger women need to know who will stock their size

VintageVest · 22/08/2022 10:06

More people in the western world are overweight or obese than are not. Victoria Beckham has obviously realised if she wants to make more money, she needs to cast her net wider. All brands will have to do the same, if they don't already, as we are getting fatter every year. Traditionally the high end brands have been made for smaller sizes, but we will probably see this shift.

Snag tights are a brand that wouldn't even exist without the obesity epidemic. They obviously have a stake in how fat people are, as they want to shift their size 20 or 30 tights. Of course their marketing narrative is going to be 'body positive'. Many of their clients will be overweight or obese and they want to appeal to them and become a trusted brand.

And as for the size 16 thing. As has already been said, this is an average, not an ideal. Also a size 16 is pretty meaningless and the size of it has increased from 20 or 30 years ago.

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