To think size 18 is plus size and not 'hardly plus size'

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The poster, with a very large following, is saying a size 18 isn't really plus size by much, and that 'most people (in the UK), are above a Size 16?

Really? I don't know that many people above a size 16. I really don't. I know lots and lots of size 12/14 and thought that was about average? It's usually the first sizes to sell out

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So how am I supposed to get rid of my autism? Since that's part of the "problem" for me?

Or my physical disability? How do I get "rid" of that?

Since I need to get "rid" of them to lose weight, how do I do that?

Also, if you are from certain ethnic backgrounds you are likely to be unhealthy at a lower or even normal weight. Which is why I have been advised to lose weight at size 12. Again this is a fact, not a snidey judgement.

Nobody is saying you can. But it's delusion to think being overweight isn't going to cause health problems long term, it doesn't matter 'why' we are overweight

The fact remains the same. Obesity and being overweight are not good for our bodies.

@sandpr for me, being overweight is better than anorexia.

Also. I can't get rid of my autism. Or my disability. So what good does it do to fat shame me?

They use weight and height, not weight in isolation, because that would be that dangerous 1 piece of information completely out of context thing... which science and medicine, and also...well...smart people all abhor.

Clothes size might KIND OF correlate, for some people, some of the time. Making it also dangerous to imply that it is an indicator of health.

When I was a size 14 I was borderline underweight, when I was a 16 I was in the health weight range. A size 10 has never been able accommodate my actual bones, regardless of my weight, health and fitness at the time. Clothing size is not an indicator of health. Those who declare they know better than the evidence base from which the recommendations and guidelines were derived are only making themselves look silly.

Stop lying.

She had a 22 inch waist. That's not an 18 by any stretch.

I find the narrative that fat people can't be sexually attractive profoundly depressing.

Literally who cares what men think of Marilyn Monroe?:) She absolutely was not a modern size 18.

If you look on the sale rails, it is always the really small sizes that are there, sizes 4-8 are always left over. Sizes 14-20 disappear the quickest and 12-14 go slightly slower. Dawn French had a range called 1649 many years ago, the reason for the name was that 49% of adult women were a size 16 or above.

words hurt and sink in and affect us later when we're deciding if we deserve lunch or not.
food is not a reward. It isn't ever something we deserve or not. That’s a terrible mindset to have. Food is just food. Not a reward or a punishment. Until you've addressed that, you will struggle to avoid disordered eating habits.

completely agree with pp who said it should be measures like mens. My mum is recently disabled and I have taken to measuring her waist and then taking the tape measure into the shops and measuring the clothes. She was shocked when the trousers I bought were ‘the wrong size’ but fit perfectly.

So what’s the answer? If we don’t want to normalise obesity because of the health implications (the same way we don’t normalise smoking, drug taking, and to a lesser extent, alcohol) what actions can we take that aren’t immediately labelled fat shaming?

I’d like to see more sugar and fat taxes, as well as taxes on Deliveroo/Just Eat takeaway crap.

Well the fact it is going to have a massive impact on the cost and ability to access health care means its not about what people look like. That makes it a political issue affecting everyone. It is everyone else's business.

That also means it's a political issue in terms of things like food marketing, cooking skills and access to the right foods not just over processed foods.

The responsibility as to why so many women are over weight therefore isn't just one of personal responsibility but also collective responsibility. Simply because it may require governmental intervention because its a health crisis.

This isnt something that we should just ignore and go 'yeah thats fine, size 8 women can be unhealthy too'. Being over weigh is a problem. The first step to solving a problem is identifying it and then naming it.

Has anyone said this on this thread?

If size 16 is average that still doesn't mean it's normal or healthy.

@Tabbouleh the poster said they would "do" Marilyn and the reply was stop lying.

In what world was Marilyn Monroe a size 18 🙄

How does it affect you, though? Fat people know they’re fat. Adding labels won’t shame them into being thinner. It doesn’t work like that. Honestly, I’d worry about your own life and not get too het up about this

Obesity is a public health crisis that of course DOES affect everyone, it is silly to suggest it doesn't. It has huge implications for the NHS, as obese people suffer far more health complications that are very expensive and time consuming to manage. It brings a massively increased risk of diabetes, cancer, high blood pressure, heart disease, kidney disease etc. It is now affecting our children with some experiencing ill health due to obesity at a young age.

There is no easy solution, but everyone should be concerned about it. Normalising obesity is not ok.

I say this as someone who has been morbidly obese by the way.

Of course food isn't a reward, but you don't have to go far to find comments about a size 16 being huge, disgusting, overweight - you name the cliche, it's probably been posted here.

It's hard to sustain an unhealthy weight while eating normally. And if people are going around asserting that a perfectly healthy size is disgusting, it's not that far to make the mental leap that you are disgusting for being that size.

It's not a conscious process, it's the drip drip drip of very confident people asserting blindly that you must be very fat.

What is the point of this thread op? Fat bashing? Again? Give your head a wobble.

"Plus size" is just body shaming.
I don't think people who are one dress size up from the average size for a uk woman should have to shop at a special place.
Making women buy "plus size" clothing is not going to encourage a healthy lifestyle- I'd say the opposite.

Anyone who is medically classified as overweight or obese doesn't need to be told this as - Mike drop - they already know.

The reply pointed out that Marilyn was not a modern size 18.

That's not how I read it

I am so sorry, I jumped in replying to an earlier post without reading the whole thread. I was trying to say what you wrote, only you said it much better than I can!

But at 16, I wasn't overweight, at 18 I was edging into overweight. Being overweight is indeed bad for your health, we agree on that 100%, but clothes size simply doesn't give enough reliable information to be able to declare that 16 is unhealthy, because it's inconsistent and inaccurate and doesn't account for many many factors that are actually proven to be reasonable indicators of a person's health or even weight.

Being overweight is bad for your health. Being a size 16 may or may not be, depending on your actual weight and height and other factors. To say otherwise is just incorrect.