Page 11 | To think size 18 is plus size and not 'hardly plus size'

sanddownthatwall · 2022-08-21T23:09:13+00:00

The poster, with a very large following, is saying a size 18 isn't really plus size by much, and that 'most people (in the UK), are above a Size 16? Really? I don't know that many people above a size 16. I really don't. I know lots and lots of size 12/14 and thought that was about average? It's usually the first sizes to sell out https://www.instagram.com/p/ChiDp-1Mos3/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=

TeachesOfPeaches · 22/08/2022 08:12

We should label our clothes by size eg inches like men do rather than having a silly label like plus sized. Are men's clothing separated into 'normal' and curvy ranges?

Ponoka7 · 22/08/2022 08:13

@Dadaya
"16 is huge. If it’s correct that most people are size 16, that doesn’t mean it’s an acceptable size to be - it means most people are overweight."

There are lots of things that we can deem unacceptable, people's body sizes isn't one. How exactly do we police that?

Do we know where the Instagram commentator was from? In the US, our 18 isn't a plus size. VB's clothing company is in debt to the tune of £54 million. It's failing. She's looking to the plus size range to get her out the the mire. You can be a size 18 and look good, so she's taking advantage of that.

AlmostSummer21 · 22/08/2022 08:14

LilacPoppy · 22/08/2022 00:55

When people say a 16 is average they mean the measurements that were actually a size 12 twenty years ago. A modern size 16 or 18 are both very large and definitely plus size.
14 and above is plus and 10-12 is midsize.
People need to stop being so pc re "fat shaming".

@LilacPoppy

why?

how does fat shaming help anyone?

I used to be tiny. I had a nasty virus that attacked my liver, fucked my metabolism & gave me diabetes. They had me on various medications & various food regimes.

nothing helped.

I would bet the house that I eat a healthier diet than 90% of the population and as healthy as the top 10%. I don't eat a lot.

im not well enough to do anything other than walking, but I do walk at least 3 miles a day.

I'm a size 22/24. At 5ft.

Im not sure how you think further fat shaming me will make me any better?

@sanddownthatwall starting these goady, nasty, pointless threads is horrible behaviour. Happy fucking Monday to you too.

GlittercheeksOakleaf · 22/08/2022 08:15

TeachesOfPeaches · 22/08/2022 08:12

We should label our clothes by size eg inches like men do rather than having a silly label like plus sized. Are men's clothing separated into 'normal' and curvy ranges?

Men's clothes do come in 'plus size' - Badrhino which is the male version of Yours clothing starts at medium and goes up to 8XL. Yours sizing starts at 14 and goes up to 40.

queenMab99 · 22/08/2022 08:16

My judgey pants are size 22 😆

RealBecca · 22/08/2022 08:16

Size 18 is plus size. But its not uncommon these days. You only have to go on a family day out and there are loads of people much much bigger than size 18. Its big button on the slimmer side of plus size.

CredibilityProblem · 22/08/2022 08:17

"Plus size" is a term from clothes retail, and I'd use it to mean the sizes which aren't sold in mainstream ranges and may be cut differently.

Looking at the dresses available from a very wide range of brands at John Lewis there's a significant drop off in choice at size 18, but a much larger one at size 20, and another big one at size 22, which to me indicates that while you could argue for a size 18 threshold, size 20 probably makes more sense as a definition.

To think size 18 is plus size and not 'hardly plus size'

Tabbouleh · 22/08/2022 08:17

I think we can agree that the majority of people in the UK are not overweight because of medication they are taking, so I do not see why those posts are relevant.
Also, I do not think skinniness- is that a word?- has being normalised.

Choconut · 22/08/2022 08:19

Strangeways19 · 22/08/2022 08:07

You define don't want to promote underweight either. Surely it's about accepting body sizes are different? And health within this is nothing to do with body shape or natural size. We shouldn't be pushing children to be skinny

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Children should be 'skinny' though if they are eating healthily and getting enough exercise - you should be clearly able to see their ribs at age 10. People think skinny is unhealthy because being over weight is now the norm. Nobody should have to be 'pushing' them into it, they should be feeding them healthily from the start and ensuring they get enough exercise.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-12226744

Bubblebubblebah · 22/08/2022 08:19

I am 18, dropped from 22. Large/plus size. It is NOT "hardly plus size"...

Re the arguments about health lots of us here are young. It will unfortunately catch up with us later. Some get it, some don't accept it.

It's always interesting to use "search page" function on these threads. Maybe fellow overweight and more people want to stop self-flagellate all the time. The only "disgusting" and "huge" comes yet again from our side🙄 Like on 90% of threads about weight. If people are so touchy about their weight threads make them sad, don't read them. You do have a choice.

Deliaskis · 22/08/2022 08:20

It's interesting I think, how no medical professional or scientist considers clothes size as relevant in their assessments of a person's health. Could this perhaps be because.... wait for it.... clothes size is utterly meaningless as an evidence-based indicator of a person's healthfor most people?

Anybody declaring 'size 10 is healthy' or 'size 16 is huge' is showing themselves up rather.

Chouetted · 22/08/2022 08:21

RealBecca · 22/08/2022 08:16

Size 18 is plus size. But its not uncommon these days. You only have to go on a family day out and there are loads of people much much bigger than size 18. Its big button on the slimmer side of plus size.

Given the surprising number of disagreements I've had with people, including shop assistants, along the lines of "but you don't look fat", I've lost all faith that anyone can judge clothes sizes by looking.

Paq · 22/08/2022 08:22

Deliaskis · 22/08/2022 08:20

It's interesting I think, how no medical professional or scientist considers clothes size as relevant in their assessments of a person's health. Could this perhaps be because.... wait for it.... clothes size is utterly meaningless as an evidence-based indicator of a person's healthfor most people?

Anybody declaring 'size 10 is healthy' or 'size 16 is huge' is showing themselves up rather.

This!

SafeMove · 22/08/2022 08:22

I find the relationship between clothes sizing, actual amount you weigh and body measurements really confusing. People's perception of what is normal seems all over the place too. There doesn't seem to be a uniformity. I don't really buy clothes, DP makes mine for me so I don't have many high street clothes to reference my dress size.

He is currently making my wedding dress so I told him to buy the pattern in a 16 as my measurements (B34, W30, H42) stated that is a 14 on dress size website and I know wedding dresses fit small. He made the Toile and it is massive and has to take 6 inches off. I am sat here wearing a size 12 M&S ankle length dress. Last time I was weighed I was 11 stone due to chemical menopause, the gynae surgeon said 'No pressure but try get some weight off before your hysterectomy as it will be easier to recover' (I am now doing a calorie deficit but I can't weigh myself as I get obsessed). I am 5 foot 4. Other people will come on and say they are 11 stone, 5 foot 4 and a size 18, others say they are a 10. I guess it's the way weight is distributed but as someone who has had two eating disorders it's confusing and disorientating. It's a toxic debate.

Bubblebubblebah · 22/08/2022 08:23

Deliaskis · 22/08/2022 08:20

It's interesting I think, how no medical professional or scientist considers clothes size as relevant in their assessments of a person's health. Could this perhaps be because.... wait for it.... clothes size is utterly meaningless as an evidence-based indicator of a person's healthfor most people?

Anybody declaring 'size 10 is healthy' or 'size 16 is huge' is showing themselves up rather.

They use weight as one of the factors to indicateoverall health and risks.
CLothing KIND of corresponds. I say kind of because the twat shops can't agree how big sizes are actually supposed to be 🙄 pita

sandpr · 22/08/2022 08:24

Deliaskis · 22/08/2022 08:20

It's interesting I think, how no medical professional or scientist considers clothes size as relevant in their assessments of a person's health. Could this perhaps be because.... wait for it.... clothes size is utterly meaningless as an evidence-based indicator of a person's healthfor most people?

Anybody declaring 'size 10 is healthy' or 'size 16 is huge' is showing themselves up rather.

Of course, for a large part, it's relevant. I'm an average height for a female in the UK and at a size 16, overweight. Being overweight is bad for your health. Doesn't matter if it's for this reason or that reason, it's a fact. It isn't a snidey judgement but a fact

So someone of a UK 18 and average height is of course not generally going to be healthy, at least not long term unfortunately!

Doesn't matter why they're overweight. The extra weight usually causes problems all the same

To say a dress size isn't an indicator that their weight is not good for them is ridiculous. My mum is a 22. Are you really going to start suggesting that's no indicator she's unhealthy or obese?

My medical conditions are no good for my body. Same applies to me being overweight. Not sure why people are so touchy about it

maddiemookins16mum · 22/08/2022 08:24

DustinsHat · 22/08/2022 07:33

I always think the people on these threads who chime in to tell everyone how fat they are, are also the same ones posting things like 'if you can't afford children don't have them' on other threads.

This makes no sense

Teateaandmoretea · 22/08/2022 08:26

Children should be 'skinny' though if they are eating healthily and getting enough exercise - you should be clearly able to see their ribs at age 10. People think skinny is unhealthy because being over weight is now the norm. Nobody should have to be 'pushing' them into it, they should be feeding them healthily from the start and ensuring they get enough exercise.

Children should be within the normal range on the bmi calculator. This covers a whole range of body shapes in fact.

2under2howscary · 22/08/2022 08:26

I'm a 16 and I'm bigger than a lot of ladies around my area

Teateaandmoretea · 22/08/2022 08:27

As in they should be within the percentiles designed for children, obviously.

Rosehugger · 22/08/2022 08:27

I'm not sure how not being able to buy clothes would help people to lose weight if they wanted to. It's not "normalising obesity", it's making sure that people have clothes to wear. If 16s and 18s are a popular size then shops would be mad not to stock them.

Also sports wear can be a nightmare. I'm size 12-14 and 5'7" aged 46 and often take "Large" which is the biggest size available. How are people larger than me (lots of people, especially at my age) supposed to exercise if there is nothing to wear?

Chouetted · 22/08/2022 08:27

sandpr · 22/08/2022 08:24

Of course, for a large part, it's relevant. I'm an average height for a female in the UK and at a size 16, overweight. Being overweight is bad for your health. Doesn't matter if it's for this reason or that reason, it's a fact. It isn't a snidey judgement but a fact

So someone of a UK 18 and average height is of course not generally going to be healthy, at least not long term unfortunately!

Doesn't matter why they're overweight. The extra weight usually causes problems all the same

To say a dress size isn't an indicator that their weight is not good for them is ridiculous. My mum is a 22. Are you really going to start suggesting that's no indicator she's unhealthy or obese?

My medical conditions are no good for my body. Same applies to me being overweight. Not sure why people are so touchy about it

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We're touchy because the outliers are still here, reading what's written, and words hurt and sink in and affect us later when we're deciding if we deserve lunch or not.

CookieCoo · 22/08/2022 08:27

I put on 5 stone when pregnant (eating everything and anything) whoops and haven’t lost it again 🤦🏼‍♀️ I’m size 16, 5’8” and most definitely fat!!

My knees hurt and I’m not agile in the slightest!! People who buy into “it’s just curvy” etc are delusional!! There are a lot of fat people about. Mine is self-induced and I’m sure the majority of others are too!!

I’m now actively calorie counting and walking. We went to a theme park a few weeks ago and I barely squished my ass into the seat on the rides. Mortifying 😳

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 22/08/2022 08:28

Justine878 · 22/08/2022 00:33

I think it is a goady thread to be honest. So you don't want people to think size 16 is okay because it will make them more likely to be size 16 or stay a size 16? I'm not buying it. You just don't want people to think they are acceptable as a larger size. And you think they should KNOW they aren't acceptable by having to buy clothes from plus size stores. Obesity is a huge problem in this country, and it won't be fixed by tying acceptance to dress size.

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I agree with this. You're being goady OP. You say yourself that you're overweight. Why not focus on that? Get yourself into the shape and weight that you're supposed to be.

What is it that you need from your thread? All size 18s and above to suddenly crumble in the realisation? Come to you for forgiveness? What?

Fat people know they are fat. They seem to be the only 'group' that realises their "deficiency".

Simonjt · 22/08/2022 08:28

TeachesOfPeaches · 22/08/2022 08:12

We should label our clothes by size eg inches like men do rather than having a silly label like plus sized. Are men's clothing separated into 'normal' and curvy ranges?

Ours are generally called Big, plus or extended size.