DH has completely changed

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My DH has completely altered his worldview/ opinion over the last few years. It was gradual, and only now am I coming to realise the full extent of it. We've been together for 15 years.

He believes in the great reset, believes there will be a nuclear war, covid is a hoax and the vaccines are killing people. He's stockpiled around £3k worth of food/ camping equipment/ knives. Our spare room is full of this stuff. He's also invested thousands into cryptocurrency.

He believes that inflation is all part of the "plan" and all the world leaders are "in on it" together.

I can't take it anymore. He disrespects my opinion by continuing to talk about it daily, even when I've expressed that I do not share the same opinion and don't want to argue about it. He tells me that "I will see when the time comes."

Every time there's news of a celebrity death/ unexplained death of a young person, he blames the covid vaccine. He threatened to leave me if I got it, although changed his mind when I made clear how serious I was.

Aibu to feel at the end of my tether? It's so draining.

^@loginsaredicks

And to add, I'm also happy to listen with an open mind. I'll change my opinion if there's robust evidence behind something!

I would put myself in this category. I'm cynical enough to see plenty of old-fashioned corruption, and after watching Trump and Boris et al, believe plenty of it happens in plain sight. Cambridge Analytica harvested our data and probably tilted the world towards Brexit and Trump.

I do think there are many people out there who would happily engage in conspiracy, I just don't believe they have the wherewithal to pull it off. The competence, coordination, secrecy and aligning of goals and ideals would, to my mind, be literally impossible to pull off. It would require the buy-in and cooperation of everyone from world leaders to financial markets to administrative assistants to chauffeurs to security guards, and most of us can't manage to keep a secret in our own group of friends, never mind internationally. How long did it take Boris's own friends and allies to publicly rat him out? How long do you think it would take someone to rat Bill Gates out for the fame, money and power that would follow. Plus, anyone who has ever tried to run a department can tell you that even with the most evil intent in the world, incompetence would eventually bring things down.

And the truth is that bad actors have reasons to invest in tanking Western democracy. A weakened and disunited Europe is good for Putin and China. French social influencers have reported being offered suspected Russian money to spread anti-Pfizer, anti-vaxx claims.
www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/05/26/influencers-offered-money-pfizer-discredit-russia/

So I do believe there's stuff out there, but most CTs are barking up the wrong tree. So whenever people make these claims, and I ask for evidence or data, but no one ever gives me anything that meets those criteria.

Sorry for the derail, OP.

I think this is what I find so horribly ignorant and offensive about this

There are wars constantly 'over there', so we either dont hear about them or dont care (mostly the latter). There are diseases and epidemics all the time, again usually in countries people dont hear about, dont even know about. People dont care about that

But along comes something that disrupts the live of wealthy europeans/USA and suddenly its all some sneaky conspiracy, guided and designed by rich western individuals. Its so ignorant

Not to mention short memories, even since WWII, there has been the Vietnam war, Falklands, Iraq, plus Aids and above all else the obesity crisis. The climate has been in crisis since the early part of last century!!!

I feel for you OP my DH is just the same. He’s stockpiled all sorts in our garage and phoned me this morning to say I should stay away from vaccinated family etc while pregnant or we’ll lose this baby because of shedding. WTF. We’ve lost three pregnancies in the last 2 years and I’m currently pregnant again so his angry phone call this morning basically blaming it all on me for spending time with my sister was very upsetting.
If you can try to encourage your DH to step away from twitter and you tube. I’ve found if I can get my DH to have a break from these he improves slightly.

The problem is once they start looking at one conspiracy video they go down a rabbit hole and then get targeted with other things online. It’s very difficult and I can empathise with you. My DH is also convinced he’s right and thinks I’m ridiculous for not buying into it all. I don’t disagree with everything he says but he’s definitely gone too far and is letting it rule him and the things we do as a family.
Im sorry your going through the same and it’s a very hard situation so I feel for you.

I might take time to but it's frustrating from the other side too. Honestly this data is everywhere apart from MSM

it’s frustrating not providing links to people who are curious?

You don't have to take the 'red pill' to know that politicians lie. That's been going on since the start of time. Everyone knows that. The Great Reset exploits that fact and bundles it up into a seductive exciting entertaining conspiracy that, apart from other things, offers a very handy distraction to aforementioned politicians who carry on doing nasty stuff in plain sight, which is often ignored because so many people are off talking about the Great Reset and obviously weird stuff like how there are chips in vaccines and Bill Gates is going to take over the world etc.

Without vaccines many of us wouldn be here talking about this.

@WGO

Do people ask if they are Sun Readers? News of the world?

The NotW was - rather publically - closed down in 2011.

This.

Before the vaccines, I know people who didn't make it. Most people do.
And if you did make it, it was an awful. I know several people who had ambulance visits because they couldn't breathe and their oxygen levels were low, one was rushed to hospital, long recoveries ... 2 people I work with still have effects from it 2 years on.

Post-vaccines, if you had them, covid was bearable and even 'just a cold' for some. But only since the variants have weakened post-vaccines. I can't imagine how many more people would have died or had long term disabling issues without them.

The ‘Great Reset’ narrative was not invented in response to the pandemic. It’s existed in various forms for decades.

Previously Agenda 30

sdgs.un.org/2030agenda

Previously Agenda 21

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_21

All part of the UN sustainable goals.

sdgs.un.org

Its a think tank of global leaders in all fields across the globe to address issues facing the world such as poverty, hunger, inequality and climate change.

Here are some of the predictions made by the WEF that they think may happen before 2030.

www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/11/8-predictions-for-the-world-in-2030/

The world is facing economic challenges which will effect our way of living. Things will have to change.

Climate change means that a lot of people will eventually be displaced and this will be have to be used offset the population decline in developed nations.

www.un.org/en/development/desa/population/publications/ageing/replacement-migration.asp

Think tanks have been estimating for decades at what critical point, things will have to change in regards to climate, agriculture, economic growth, technology, population and pollution.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Limits_to_Growth

So in regards to the ‘Great Reset’, it is an extension of this think tank, which also inspired articles like this which was published in October 2020.

time.com/collection/great-reset/5900739/fix-economy-by-2023/

Heres the UK governments vision of the future in what kind of changes this may bring about.

www.weforum.org/focus/fourth-industrial-revolution

www.gov.uk/government/publications/regulation-for-the-fourth-industrial-revolution/regulation-for-the-fourth-industrial-revolution

Thing is, plenty of us know about most of this stuff. Government corruption, war, poverty etc... It’s not new. There has always been elites. We’ve always worked hard for a bit money, a home, for a better life.

Difference is I don’t want to spend my time reading about it on t’Internet (I’m more interested in Bennifer). Yeah, loads of people are oblivious & watching Love Island instead. And they’re probably happier.

Those interested, could pick up Bill Gates book. It’s in most bookshops. Or, indeed look at the links here...

No one here is really interested as stated their limits are Bennifer.

It's not hard to join the dots but 90pc of the posters on here will like a rabbit in the headlights over the next ten years wondering WTF just happened.

Re: vaccines. Yes they have provided great advances but the trust has been hijacked in the last few years to rush out ones where the cure was often worse than the disease. Why wasn't it targeted at vulnerable persons but instead pushed at everyone with regards of losing livelihoods etc. Why was it pushed at kids?

Even previous supporters have now changed their mind on it.

Ps the chips in vaccines thing was yet another distraction technique by the MSM.

I know that holding these beliefs is making you feel special in some way, but this isn't helping you.

I'm getting older and have studied history, family history and am nearly 6 decades into this life. There isn't much that will make me or indeed most people think "WTF".

Bad things may happen, but I can guarantee that it will be human incompetance, greed, self interest and the general chaos of life and nature. There are no big plan. There is no pattern. Life is messy.

Hmm, the chips in vaccine thing was not a MSM thing. Care to explain?

But @loginsaredicks you still won't provide any links whatsoever to any sources online you trust despite saying that evidence is 'everywhere' and easily accessible via Google.

Why is that? It doesn't make sense to me and other open minded posters that you say evidence is everywhere and easily accessible, but won't share any links at all...

Thing is @loginsaredicks, you pose question after question with the insinuation you know the answer. But you’re not telling anyone what those answers are.

that leaves people to draw the conclusion that either you’re not confident enough of your understanding of your own stance to communicate it or you’re not confident enough to enter into a conversation you might be challenged in. That’s not a ringing endorsement of anything you imply.

This has all happened before if you study history. Blaming the Jews for all the ills of the world and mad conspiracy theories and look where that ended.

Look up QAnon Casualties on Reddit. A lot of people going through this with their loved ones, unfortunately. ‘The Great Reset’ and ‘The Plan’ are typified by ever shifting goalposts, keeping people suckered in for some ill-defined payoff.

I saw this on research, and copied and pasted it because of how pertinent it is when it conspiracy theorists:

“Do your research!!!”

Here’s the thing. Research is a learned skill; it is hard, it is nuanced and complex, and it is true that the majority of people would not even know where to begin or even HOW to do [their own] research.

Research is NOT:
Googling, scrolling your FB newsfeed, or watching YouTube or 4Chan to search for the results you are hoping to find to be “true.” These are called confirmation biases, and are quickly and easily ruled out when doing actual research.

A post credited to Linda Gamble Spadaro, a licensed mental health counselor in Florida, sums this up quite well:

“Please stop saying you researched it.

You didn’t research anything and it is highly probable you don’t know how to do so.

Did you compile a literature review and write abstracts on each article? Or better yet, did you collect a random sample of sources and perform independent probability statistics on the reported results? No?

Did you at least take each article one by one and look into the source (that would be the author, publisher and funder), then critique the writing for logical fallacies, cognitive distortions and plain inaccuracies?

Did you ask yourself why this source might publish these particular results? Did you follow the trail of references and apply the same source of scrutiny to them?

No? Then you didn’t…research anything. You read or watched a video, most likely with little or no objectivity. You came across something in your algorithm manipulated feed, something that jived with your implicit biases and served your confirmation bias, and subconsciously applied your emotional filters and called it proof.”

This doesn’t even go into institutional review boards (IRB’s), also known as independent ethics committees, ethical review boards, or touch on peer review, or meta-analyses.

To sum it up, a healthy dose of skepticism is/can be a good thing…as long as we are also applying it to those things we wish/think to be true, and not just those things we choose to be skeptical towards, or in denial of.

Most importantly, though, is to apply our best critical thinking skills to ensure we are doing our best to suss out the facts from the fiction, the myths, and outright BS in pseudoscience and politics.

Misinformation is being used as a tool of war and to undermine our public health, and it is up to each of us to fight against it.

Here's something for them to chew on

philmaffetone.com/researchers-find-dramatic-increase-of-sudden-cardiac-death-following-covid-19-infection-and-or-vaccination/

@Lightscribe thank you. I'm also interested in the conspiracy theory proposal of what that publically-available information 'really' means.

Regarding chips as MSM distraction, I suppose we might then be in the realms of non-falsifiability if every CT that didn't come to pass just gets blamed on MSM. MSM can't 'win' I suppose as if they didn't report CTs as news then they'd just be accused even more of hiding thee 'truth'. CTs absolutely proposed chips in vaccines and MSM reported that. I know as the people and family members who spread this and who protested, disrupted clinics and called colleagues murderers got that from Youtube and twitter and Telegram and CT fora, not from MSM.

Who are you asking to "chew on this"? Who is "them"?

I can't tell if you are pro or anti conspiracy theories.

@knittingaddict

I think the link is basically explaining that both Covid infection and the vaccine have been associated with heart issues. While it's more aimed at the health/fitness aspect, my takeaway is that it's saying if you're somehow predisposed or susceptible to this kind of heart inflammation, it can be triggered by either this virus or by the vaccine, so not conspiracy fodder.

I think about this issue when people say they have autoimmune issues 'brought on' by the vaccine. I have an autoimmune issue that was initially brought on by a virus. Current thinking is that MS is triggered by a previous glandular fever infection and, as we all know, shingles is brought on by chicken pox. So my (uneducated) inference is that if you have issues following a particular vaccine, you likely would have had the same issues following the virus.

Thank you Wallaw.