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To not really like it when men post on here?

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Username91 · 15/08/2022 21:17

Just that really. After reading not one but two bullshit threads started by men in the last few days I’m just a bit sick of them posting on here. I love mumsnet. I’ve read interesting threads, hilarious ones, heartbreaking and sometimes infuriating ones and I just feel like saying ‘oh piss off’ every time a bloke sticks their neb in. It’s MUMSnet ffs. I know I am being unreasonable really and am a massive hypocrite as I’m not (yet) a mum myself haha and don’t actually contribute anything of value to this site myself but still….they get on my tits.

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WhileMyGuitarGentlyWeeps · 16/08/2022 12:32

HinchcliffeandMurgatroyd · 16/08/2022 12:21

Why is it disgusting? 🤨

Its a good idea to try to create a space.

The neurodiversity board has done the same.

The problem is that there is no way of enforcing it.

You have literally just illustrated why (some) women do not want MEN and non parents on here. So they have their own 'space.' To talk to other women who have children.

So, some people on here think men AND non-parents should be allowed on here (and MN have confirmed they are,) but these SAME people don't think non-black people should go anywhere near Black Mumsnetters. The hypocrisy is breathtaking.

Anyway, I've said my piece, and people are only going to start attacking me (a couple of people already have,) so I'm out. This conversation is not going to go anywhere good anytime soon.

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 16/08/2022 12:35

C8H10N4O2 · 16/08/2022 09:06

If you are in Scotland the SNP have appointed a man to be your periods dignity offer to explain periods and products to women.

Being a man apparently helps him break down barriers and raise difficult issues like the menopause (because women need a marketing man to help them talk to each other and discuss periods apparently). The article has a nice picture of the new dignity officer and his bro explaining period products to women whose pink brains apparently can't absorb the information properly.

www.graingerpr.co.uk/newsroom/dundee-man-leads-scotland-in-role-to-end-period-poverty/

Scotland is losing its shit. Much as I love the place, I'm increasingly grateful not to be a female living north of the border. 'For Women Scotland' are doing amazing work, but right now it feels as though they are fighting a losing battle.

Grumpyoldpersonwithcats · 16/08/2022 12:37

I post primarily on the Litter Tray because there is a friendly, supportive and entertaining group of regular posters, and the threads there are significantly less weird/obsessive than on many cat web sites.

Male/Female, parent or not really makes no difference on that kind of topic.

HinchcliffeandMurgatroyd · 16/08/2022 12:39

WhileMyGuitarGentlyWeeps · 16/08/2022 12:32

You have literally just illustrated why (some) women do not want MEN and non parents on here. So they have their own 'space.' To talk to other women who have children.

So, some people on here think men AND non-parents should be allowed on here (and MN have confirmed they are,) but these SAME people don't think non-black people should go anywhere near Black Mumsnetters. The hypocrisy is breathtaking.

Anyway, I've said my piece, and people are only going to start attacking me (a couple of people already have,) so I'm out. This conversation is not going to go anywhere good anytime soon.

😂

Well yes, I already said upthread that I’m not wild about too many men around here for that reason. So I don’t know what the little “literally” tantrum is for. I’d rather women, black women, ND women, mothers etc could have their own spaces.

In practice we can’t on an open forum, for obvious reasons but it would be nice if men were circumspect of majority female places, and so on.

Who do you think is being hypocritical exactly?

PollyRockets · 16/08/2022 12:42

@WhileMyGuitarGentlyWeeps

It's not comparable as the OP and some others want men not on the site at all

Not just specific topics

Surely the compromise is a womens only topic and that's policed more heavily like the BMN one is

ToGanymedeAndTitan · 16/08/2022 12:43

but these SAME people don't think non-black people should go anywhere near Black Mumsnetters. The hypocrisy is breathtaking
Nobody's said that non black people shouldn't post on Black Mumsnetters at all, this is another topic that regularly comes up and it's a load of crap.
All anyone has ever said is that if black people are for example giving their experiences of racism, white people jumping in to tell them they're wrong, that's not what will have happened, is a yeah, best not easy anything comment. Or say if they're asking for advice on managing hair someone white saying they combed an afro once so now they're an expert or whatever 🙄
Non black people have always been able and welcome to post otherwise.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 16/08/2022 12:43

donquixotedelamancha · 16/08/2022 11:33

If enough of us report it, they may listen. Can you imagine a thread titled "AIBU To not really like it when Gays post on here?"

That’s a false equivalent. Men dominate all media and forms of public discourse, which is why women need to carve out some space for themselves.

A more accurate parallel would be asking whether we think it’s ok for gay people or people of colour to have their own spaces.

FlyingSaucerss · 16/08/2022 12:46

ToGanymedeAndTitan · 16/08/2022 12:43

but these SAME people don't think non-black people should go anywhere near Black Mumsnetters. The hypocrisy is breathtaking
Nobody's said that non black people shouldn't post on Black Mumsnetters at all, this is another topic that regularly comes up and it's a load of crap.
All anyone has ever said is that if black people are for example giving their experiences of racism, white people jumping in to tell them they're wrong, that's not what will have happened, is a yeah, best not easy anything comment. Or say if they're asking for advice on managing hair someone white saying they combed an afro once so now they're an expert or whatever 🙄
Non black people have always been able and welcome to post otherwise.

I’m mixed race and was told I shouldn’t post on there so that’s not true.

HinchcliffeandMurgatroyd · 16/08/2022 12:46

PollyRockets · 16/08/2022 12:42

@WhileMyGuitarGentlyWeeps

It's not comparable as the OP and some others want men not on the site at all

Not just specific topics

Surely the compromise is a womens only topic and that's policed more heavily like the BMN one is

You can’t really “police” any of it because you have to trust that people are who they say they are. So, short of having IDs checked at registration, you just have to hope that posters play nicely & don’t overwhelm a board not meant for them.

PollyRockets · 16/08/2022 12:46

@HinchcliffeandMurgatroyd

Well police as much as it currently is with posters intent on ruining discussion on those topics typically being more robustly dealt with

HinchcliffeandMurgatroyd · 16/08/2022 12:48

PollyRockets · 16/08/2022 12:46

@HinchcliffeandMurgatroyd

Well police as much as it currently is with posters intent on ruining discussion on those topics typically being more robustly dealt with

Hmm. In that case a women’s board would be good. But if you suggest it, you’ll get a load of people pretending not to understand how it would be different from the feminism board. 😏

Essexgalttc · 16/08/2022 12:58

I highly disagree with this post

I’m a woman (27) not a mother yet but I’m ttc with a loss in April so I use mumsnet for advice on dealing with loss and conception

There are some posts on here from men that are very questionable. There are also some posts on here from woman that are very questionable. I commented on a post yesterday about is it cheating and about woman not giving sex during marriage isn’t contributing to their “half of the deal”. I do agree posts like that are very controversial but just because one man writes something like that doesn’t mean every man does. Just the same as some woman post awful questions or posts, not all woman do.

Personally after I had my loss I realised the lack of support and forums there are for men who are either struggling / researching or asking genuine questions

I guess if you do not like the post then you can ignore it. If the post is very off and requires reporting - report. Male or Female OP it doesn’t matter.

donquixotedelamancha · 16/08/2022 13:48

That’s a false equivalent. Men dominate all media and forms of public discourse, which is why women need to carve out some space for themselves.

A more accurate parallel would be asking whether we think it’s ok for gay people or people of colour to have their own spaces.

It's exactly equivalent. This isn't about single group spaces in general- those are fine and women only SM does exist.

This is about MN where men are welcome to post but are being called abusive names for doing so. It's fine to criticise unhelpful behaviours prevalent amongst men, Catholics, estate agents or whatever but when you want a whole group banned solely on the basis of being members of that group it's not OK.

This thread could not be made about any other group on MN (except maybe teachers :-).

SleeplessInEngland · 16/08/2022 14:05

I think on the genuine advice sections (eg sleep and parenting) you tend to only get women, but AIBU in practically world famous now so there's no way both sexes won't be posting frequently. It doesn't really bother me as this section is basically rubbernecking - I doubt anyone goes to AIBU expecting serious, sage life advice.

CPL593H · 16/08/2022 17:58

BEAM123 · 16/08/2022 10:57

Oh my!

Well I am very definitely a woman from birth (and a mum /grandmother) and I got

"Verdict: Weak MALE

Weak emphasis could indicate European."

Not especially surprised as I'm not especially feminine in the way my brain works but.....
What do they mean by "weak emphasis could mean European"?!

Are European men considered less masculine? 😂

@BEAM123

I've just tried it with 2 fairly typical lumps of Ernest Hemingway and got "weak male" and "weak female" so I'm not sure it's totally reliable. Fun though!

He must be revolving Grin

Calabria1985 · 16/08/2022 18:14

Sorry for any offence caused ...i wont use that word again ..😂newbie here!

prettybird · 16/08/2022 19:18

I've been on MN since 2001 ShockBlush - ds is now nearly 22, but I've long since progressed from wanting/needing/sharing parenting advice (although I still do some of the latter, using the benefit of hindsight experience Wink) and now use it mostly for Politics and BootCamp threads and the occasional Relationship, AIBU or amusing thread (and Sporners Corner is my guilty secret Blush) Grin

I've always known and not been bothered by the fact that there are Shock men on the site. It is after all by parents for parents which has been its tag line for as long as I've been on here. And [checks notes Wink] men are parents too Grin

There are a few men that I "know" are men - such as DGRossetti on the long running Westministender/Brexit threads (sadly no longer contributing after the botched MN "upgrade" Sad), PigletJohn, PRH47 (I know that's not quite his name), Pan2 on the cycling threads, the odd as in infrequent contributor to the MN HFLC BootCamp threads and so on.... I don't give a flying fuck that they're men as they contribute positively and respectfully to those threads. Smile

I've learnt a lot from different perspectives on here - people from different backgrounds, experiences, incomes and (Wink) sex. I've learnt about dysfunctional relationships, especially via the Stately Homes threads, which then meant I could be more understanding of dh when he came belatedly to realise how abusive his childhood had been and the long lasting impact of that.

If I don't like certain posts or posters I'll either scroll on past, report (if abusive/suspected trolling), read in amused disbelief or hide if the thread as a whole starts to really irritate.

Long may the diversity last Grin

ReneBumsWombats · 16/08/2022 21:05

Dudebro on another thread telling us catcalling hasn't happened much for the last 15 years and why he knows more about it than we do, and why we're all man haters for not thinking he's right.

If I weren't happily married, and if it weren't for the existence of Chris Hemsworth, it would be enough to turn me gay.

Hawkins001 · 16/08/2022 21:19

Given that mumsnet has said about the audience of the site, how have some users come to.the conclusion that the website should be for x group only ?

PolishingCandles · 16/08/2022 21:28

Personally, I don't care what sex a poster here is.

HinchcliffeandMurgatroyd · 16/08/2022 21:29

Hawkins001 · 16/08/2022 21:19

Given that mumsnet has said about the audience of the site, how have some users come to.the conclusion that the website should be for x group only ?

The question was about what posters liked.

Hawkins001 · 16/08/2022 21:46

HinchcliffeandMurgatroyd · 16/08/2022 21:29

The question was about what posters liked.

Fair point, my error and apologies

HinchcliffeandMurgatroyd · 16/08/2022 21:51

MNHQ are used to us all banging on about what we would like. They mostly ignore us. 😄

Maisa45 · 17/08/2022 09:12

This thread has cracked me up and also inspired me to binge watch Motherland again yesterday. The part where Kevin gives the woman breastfeeding in the café the thumbs up especially made me giggle ("Ladies, I'm on your side!").

SoupDragon · 17/08/2022 09:29

HinchcliffeandMurgatroyd · 16/08/2022 21:29

The question was about what posters liked.

Several answers were stating that they shouldn't be here though. Not just preference.

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