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Jack Monroe again

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scabbers44 · 15/08/2022 05:33

Has anyone seen the recent tweet about her pawning/selling three diamond engagement rings? Aibu to think if you are pleading poverty and asking the general public to donate money one week and then showing off pictures of three massive diamonds you own the next, it's never going to go down well? Especially when you are already being challenged on lying and grifting?

For a long time I thought JM was nothing but a force of a good but I can't understand how she can be so tone deaf. It can't be deliberate but equally how can she not realise how it looks to produce three huge rings just a week after claiming she's so skint she needs handouts.

Apologies if there's already a thread on this.

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ClaudineClare · 25/08/2022 14:52

I used to like her, but my bullshit detector has gone off a few times in recent years. There are some things that just do not ring true.

Bubblebubblebah · 25/08/2022 16:18

I think it's kicking off on twitter. I see more people on my timeline retweeting things mentioning her not in a positive way. I don't think they were retweeting about her before

MinesaBottle · 25/08/2022 16:47

NeverDropYourMooncup · 25/08/2022 11:43

What's the odds of somebody who has stated that they're an alcoholic drug abuser with ADHD and is unable to get a driving licence because they panic at roundabouts and can't coordinate themselves sufficiently to ride a bike, navigate their own stairs or bathroom without falling over, is unable to operate their own email or access book drafts, has had 'seizures' and frequently describes suicidal ideation, intent and acts being allowed anywhere near a Hitachi AT300 Azuma travelling at up to 200km/h?

They wouldn’t even let her near the simulator!

It’s so telling that she brackets train driving with retail and warehouse work. Not that there’s anything wrong with those, I’ve done the former, but the amount of testing and training needed to drive a train is worlds apart from those. As is the salary. She clearly has no idea what a lot of jobs actually pay or what’s required.

Scepticalwotsits · 26/08/2022 00:01

MinesaBottle · 25/08/2022 16:47

They wouldn’t even let her near the simulator!

It’s so telling that she brackets train driving with retail and warehouse work. Not that there’s anything wrong with those, I’ve done the former, but the amount of testing and training needed to drive a train is worlds apart from those. As is the salary. She clearly has no idea what a lot of jobs actually pay or what’s required.

I agree. I looked into it once and the cost waiting list was huge and the few companies that did get back to me basically said they were oversubscribed and said they would only recruit internally meaning you would have to work years as a conductor before even being considered.

even then it wouldn’t be a guarantee you would pass the training even if you got a slot.

HubbaHubble · 26/08/2022 00:06

I don’t get the hate for JM.

She is entertaining on Twitter and asks for money in return .

so what?

People are paid for being entertaining all the time.

Baoing · 26/08/2022 00:50

I don’t get the hate for JM

That isn't what this thread is about. It's quite specific - the apparent misrepresentation of her circumstances in order to get people to give her money.

Far from hate, this thread is populated with people who like/d JM, and feel really disappointed about what seems to be taking shape.

If there is "hate for JM," it's not here.

category12 · 26/08/2022 06:27

HubbaHubble · 26/08/2022 00:06

I don’t get the hate for JM.

She is entertaining on Twitter and asks for money in return .

so what?

People are paid for being entertaining all the time.

I wouldn't mind if she was getting money for being "entertaining". Plenty twitterereresers do have a "buy me a coffee" thing on there and if people want to, why not?

I'm not keen on her getting people to PayPal her for desperate depictions of her situation (that don't even make sense). Is that entertaining?

I'm not keen on her doing "charity fundraising " but not being transparent about where the money is. Is that entertaining?

If she was just straightforward and rattled her tipjar "if you enjoy my content, bung us a quid if you like " sort of thing, I would have zero zero problem with that. It's doing the terrible woe posts.

trytopullyoursocksup · 26/08/2022 07:05

I can easily believe she is in tricky financial circumstances. Break up, expensive house, patchy freelance writing career, health issues, single parent - yep that's going to mean something has to go.
Writing pays the bills for very very few people. Most people, even household names, that you might think of as writers as one kind or another actually make it work by having some kind of "steady job" as well - like teaching writing in a college or university. Or a more lucrative freelance arm of their portfolio - the most media friendly ones can do TV appearances or get influencer money and that kind of thing.
(Ironically, part of the reason why writing pays so little now is because so much free and cheap entertainment is available instead - eg that scandal sheets that are twitter and other soc med)
She could easily be paying £2.5 to rent a nice house, say (I don't know, I haven't seen her soc med or know where she lives so I am guessing). 2.5k per month net x 94/100 (it's 94% of her income now) = £28200, add 20% for tax (allowing for personal allowance and basic rate etc) means she would be grossing £33840 for the year, which is pretty good for a patchily employed writer. (Actually, she may be making more than that over a year and still struggling similarly with existing tax bills, debts etc) So on that basis there would be something like £160 left over after rent, covering council tax, bills, food, transport etc... of course she's struggling and that would feel pretty desperate after you've done it for months.

Yes you would be selling things (especially if you had got carried away in the past and acquired some expensive stuff), yes you would be looking for a steady job and a reliable wage in retail or whatever, yes you would need to downsize. No you can't have a lovely house and garden and a big fridge and room to have the things that are comfortable and convenient for a family like a bedroom of your own each, a nice big kitchen, a garden, space to have people over. Yes it would be hard to think about giving those up when you thought you had worked towards better, no it isn't great to be essentially cutting back to bedsit basics when you had allowed yourself to feel a bit more established and comfortable as a "successful" adult.

(not enjoying writing this, as it is starting to feel very close to home, for personal reasons...)

Being freelance is fun, but this is why so many people have got boring old jobs that they have to go to every day and put up with things and people they don't like and who are less talented than them but are allowed to boss them around.

Many people (ahem) who do have boring old jobs struggle anyway.

This is not to offer an opinion on her overwrought writing style.

Anyway people who are famous are not necessarily rich or comfortable, is what I am saying. Why?

  • writing doesn't pay
  • housing costs are atrocious, especially if you rent or didn't buy some years ago and want some space
  • cost of living is way out of line with what people still somehow seem to think of as as "decent" money
  • Being single with a child is tough
00100001 · 26/08/2022 07:16

HubbaHubble · 26/08/2022 00:06

I don’t get the hate for JM.

She is entertaining on Twitter and asks for money in return .

so what?

People are paid for being entertaining all the time.

She took money "for charity" and is refusing to say whether it went.

She asked for money for media training presentiment, then turned down paid work for media roles, and then asked for money.

She claimed to be so poor she had to "boil soap" and not turn in lights and then produced 3 diamond rings.

She claims poverty and goes on holiday to Italy.

She has a patreon with a level that is supposed to give stuff back in return, she hasn't done anything.

She takes money off other people. People in actual poverty. People so poor they are giving her money from their want winter payment (Jack refunded that after being bounded about it)

TheWayTheLightFalls · 26/08/2022 07:18

@trytopullyoursocksup yes, but there’s the other side of it too - the break-up was several years ago, and afaik she is the non-resident parent (to a young teen, not a “small boy”).

So she might have given notice and moved out some time ago unless she has the longest fixed-term contract known to man, signed immediately before the breakup, or gotten a lodger (surely we’d have heard about the ins and outs of this if she’d tried to do this but found her hands tied). Or or or.

I think she is doing harm to people living in poverty because as a spokesperson she perpetuates the stereotype of poor = bad life choices.

BuenoSucia · 26/08/2022 07:19
  1. I’m autistic
  2. I’ve spent all my money on lipstick please send me cash

one of the above is a lie.

ermagerdabear · 26/08/2022 07:22

@trytopullyoursocksup I believe her rent is about £1500 a month, which is a lot but in terms of the house she's renting, it's not bad. Plus she's been there nearly 4 years I think, so she could have downsized ages ago if she chose.

If her writing, books, media articles, media appearances, Patreon income etc aren't fetching in enough money to live on, she should get a 9-5 job like everyone else has to, not put out sob stories on Twitter.

Againstmachine · 26/08/2022 07:39

@trytopullyoursocksup

Life of a writer may be hard but many do it whilst holding down other jobs.

Jack isn't a good writer or even cook or presenter. If her chosen careers aren't working out get a different job.

category12 · 26/08/2022 08:03

Againstmachine · 26/08/2022 07:39

@trytopullyoursocksup

Life of a writer may be hard but many do it whilst holding down other jobs.

Jack isn't a good writer or even cook or presenter. If her chosen careers aren't working out get a different job.

I think she's a good writer: she certainly knows how to pull the heartstrings.

Cook, I dunno, her plates often look awful to me, but tbf I think most people's pictures of food look disgusting. 😀

hop321 · 26/08/2022 08:11

I think she's a good writer: she certainly knows how to pull the heartstrings

I'm all for some good descriptive/emotional writing but I don't enjoy reading her posts. Just too long, self-indulgent and hyperbolic. One paragraph might hit the mark but there's then another ten of the same which becomes turgid to read.

I'm absolutely in favour of explaining what poverty is like on a practical, daily basis but I think her message gets lost in the pages of navel-gazing.

JubileeTrifle · 26/08/2022 08:20

She isn’t struggling financially. Her ex left 2 years ago and she’s chosen to stay in a massive house all that time.
she appeared at the Edinburgh Book Festival yesterday with a spray tan, whitened teeth, dyed hair, forehead botoxed, R&B shoes and Tiffany earrings. After taking a selfie on a new iPhone.
This year she has bought a designer breed puppy , spoons for £100, a hat for £100 and got a new tattoo and been abroad twice.
BUT she hasn’t been able to afford shampoo for 2 years and lives off £20 a week shops.

She doesn’t even try to hide the fact she taking the piss. The ridiculous ‘I’m applying for 15 jobs on my phone’ performance, including the train driver nonsense. It’s all an act to her and too many people fall for it.

I don’t care that she had Botox or whatever. I care that she makes out her and her son (who isn’t even there) live in dire straits so people send her money.

I don’t think she is even doing anything for people in poverty. She’s still giving out the terrible cancel your DD for energy bills bullshit which is going to cost some people more money. Sadly she has a cult following who are happy to believe. Television companies and newspapers need to do more due diligence on who they are using though.

Motorcycleemptyness · 26/08/2022 08:26

I just had a quick scan of JM’s Twitter. Still going on about libel and putting the responsibility for sobriety on others it seems even though (JM’s words) they’ve had a beautiful day.

this really isn’t going away, is it?

JubileeTrifle · 26/08/2022 08:36

I was glad when she beat Hopkins but now she tries to use it as an example that she’s a legal mastermind.
It was a case of mistaken identity, she didn’t turn up to court, her lawyer did the case for free as he knew KH had money and it was an easy case to win.
She now threatening ransoms on Twitter that he will do the same to them. Unless they’ve got a million pound house I doubt it.

Remember she took ‘donations’ to sue Lawrence Fox lately, all gone quiet. That wasn’t for free then?

ermagerdabear · 26/08/2022 08:44

Remember she took ‘donations’ to sue Lawrence Fox lately, all gone quiet. That wasn’t for free then?

Something else that's shady AF. According to her. she's said many times that her lawyer works on a pro bono basis (but I actually think she means no win, no fee). She hadn't even managed to get in touch with him before she was asking for people to donate to costs and legal fees via her personal PayPal account and since then there's been tumbleweed.

Emotionalsupportviper · 26/08/2022 09:29

ermagerdabear · 26/08/2022 07:22

@trytopullyoursocksup I believe her rent is about £1500 a month, which is a lot but in terms of the house she's renting, it's not bad. Plus she's been there nearly 4 years I think, so she could have downsized ages ago if she chose.

If her writing, books, media articles, media appearances, Patreon income etc aren't fetching in enough money to live on, she should get a 9-5 job like everyone else has to, not put out sob stories on Twitter.

She frequently describes her rented home as a "hovel" (it's not!) and then rapidly backtracks and deletes in case the landlord sees the post.

BuenoSucia · 26/08/2022 09:59

If anyone actually likes food but is looking for budget recipes, then I 100% recommend this book. Packed with flavour and nutrition and currently half the price of ‘ers.

www.amazon.co.uk/Tiny-Budget-Cooking-Saving-Tasted/dp/1509858105/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?crid=1C74LZPWGWHZW&keywords=tiny+budget+cook&qid=1661504089&sprefix=tiny+budget+cook%2Caps%2C172&sr=8-3

noy sure if he had a website, but his recipes have become firm family favourites even with my “beige” children.

MN’s own food section has tons of wonderful ideas too. No can-shaking element and you might not get that MC glow from donating a book… 😉

category12 · 26/08/2022 11:25

JubileeTrifle · 26/08/2022 08:20

She isn’t struggling financially. Her ex left 2 years ago and she’s chosen to stay in a massive house all that time.
she appeared at the Edinburgh Book Festival yesterday with a spray tan, whitened teeth, dyed hair, forehead botoxed, R&B shoes and Tiffany earrings. After taking a selfie on a new iPhone.
This year she has bought a designer breed puppy , spoons for £100, a hat for £100 and got a new tattoo and been abroad twice.
BUT she hasn’t been able to afford shampoo for 2 years and lives off £20 a week shops.

She doesn’t even try to hide the fact she taking the piss. The ridiculous ‘I’m applying for 15 jobs on my phone’ performance, including the train driver nonsense. It’s all an act to her and too many people fall for it.

I don’t care that she had Botox or whatever. I care that she makes out her and her son (who isn’t even there) live in dire straits so people send her money.

I don’t think she is even doing anything for people in poverty. She’s still giving out the terrible cancel your DD for energy bills bullshit which is going to cost some people more money. Sadly she has a cult following who are happy to believe. Television companies and newspapers need to do more due diligence on who they are using though.

I thought she recently had someone break-up with her, just before she got the dog? Different one presumably.

JubileeTrifle · 26/08/2022 11:37

She did, it was someone she went out with a handful of months. Not someone she lived with. It seems they had money and she was not happy when they dumped her.

HubbaHubble · 26/08/2022 11:43

Wasn’t she still referring to Louisa Compton as her OH throughout lockdown?

I feel sorry for JM as she does seem to be aware that she is difficult to live with.

ChutneyVirgin · 26/08/2022 12:34

Tv exec I know says there was a try out for a company years ago but she was too.. hmm what was the adjective .. aggressive

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