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Do beautiful women realize that ugly women are treated very differently?

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UglyNameChange · 10/08/2022 11:46

My friend (who is very beautiful) got into a relationship not so long ago and said how she hopes I’ll be soon in one too - she knows I’d like a relationship also.
Well, few days ago she was telling me to just go to a bar and get chatted up with men, it won’t be long etc. and I’d just had to laugh, and asked her does she remember any man to ever have done that before and why would is sudenly have changed.
I think I accidentally made things akward because she went really quiet.
She pretty much can go anywhere and men will start up conversation or get asked out.

And this made me think if she genuinely thought we all have the same opportunities?

OP posts:
LaDamaDeElche · 11/08/2022 20:45

Mississipi71 · 11/08/2022 20:35

I won't be changing my opinion. To class yourself as beautiful is an unattractive trait. It is my belief. Two posters vehemently fighting for the post I responded to. As you were.

What about if you class yourself as very clever? A great cook? That you have a good body after working out a lot? Very rich? Etc etc. Clearly people who go round blowing their own trumpet about anything are tiresome, but being aware that you're beautiful/clever/a great cook/great at your job/add whatever skill or attribute you may have, isn't a bad thing unless you're conceited about it and feel better than others. Knowing it's true and feeling superior are two very different things.

Notsure94 · 11/08/2022 20:55

I've never been cat called, propositioned, or anything like that in 47 years. Oh except for covid where a mask seemed to hide my lumpy nose and crooked teeth. I had doors opened for me and other courtesies. Generally I very much doubt my looks have conferred any advantage/disadvantages. My teenage niece is very pretty and I was surprised how much unsolicited male attention she received just going about her business.

Mississipi71 · 11/08/2022 20:57

LaDamaDeElche · 11/08/2022 20:45

What about if you class yourself as very clever? A great cook? That you have a good body after working out a lot? Very rich? Etc etc. Clearly people who go round blowing their own trumpet about anything are tiresome, but being aware that you're beautiful/clever/a great cook/great at your job/add whatever skill or attribute you may have, isn't a bad thing unless you're conceited about it and feel better than others. Knowing it's true and feeling superior are two very different things.

Deary me, hasn't my post caused a stir. You can THINK any of those things, but to express it, is in my opinion, unattractive. I am How about moving the conversation on?

Mississipi71 · 11/08/2022 20:59

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Why are you making reference to a partner I might have. That is a personal attack.

LaDamaDeElche · 11/08/2022 21:04

Mississipi71 You sound salty as hell. I'm assuming that you are not in the attractive bracket as it seems to offend you so much that other people may realise they are. Perhaps you should move on with your tiresome judgements of other women and love yourself a little bit more. I clearly stated that it's one thing blowing your own trumpet and another thing realising that you have an attribute/skill (whatever that may be), but your comprehension skills are clearly clouded by your saltiness. You sound sour and bitter.

Mississipi71 · 11/08/2022 21:09

LaDamaDeElche · 11/08/2022 21:04

Mississipi71 You sound salty as hell. I'm assuming that you are not in the attractive bracket as it seems to offend you so much that other people may realise they are. Perhaps you should move on with your tiresome judgements of other women and love yourself a little bit more. I clearly stated that it's one thing blowing your own trumpet and another thing realising that you have an attribute/skill (whatever that may be), but your comprehension skills are clearly clouded by your saltiness. You sound sour and bitter.

Or maybe I am not as shallow as you to care one jot whether I am attractive or not. Maybe I have more inner confidence than you. One thing I do know is blowing one's own trumpet is not a trait I possess. You go for it.

ReneBumsWombats · 11/08/2022 21:11

Mississipi71 · 11/08/2022 20:59

Why are you making reference to a partner I might have. That is a personal attack.

A personal attack would be accusing another poster of being conceited because she shared a relevant personal anecdote, then accusing someone else of being a sock because they asked you to explain the weirdness.

You think people should always think they're not attractive. Being your partner must be all cuddles and love.

Anyway, I thought you were withdrawing?

ReneBumsWombats · 11/08/2022 21:12

Mississipi71 · 11/08/2022 21:09

Or maybe I am not as shallow as you to care one jot whether I am attractive or not. Maybe I have more inner confidence than you. One thing I do know is blowing one's own trumpet is not a trait I possess. You go for it.

You: Or maybe I am not as shallow as you to care one jot whether I am attractive or not. Maybe I have more inner confidence than you.

Also you: One thing I do know is blowing one's own trumpet is not a trait I possess.

This isn't real, is it?

whalleyt · 11/08/2022 21:14

There is nothing wrong with thinking you are attractive, that is not the same as being arrogant. Like I said I think I'm pretty but that doesn't mean everyone will think so.

Mandyjack · 11/08/2022 21:15

You think she's beautiful but she most likely has her own issues or parts of her she's not confident about. She might've also thought you was being bitchy towards her.

Mississipi71 · 11/08/2022 21:15

ReneBumsWombats · 11/08/2022 21:12

You: Or maybe I am not as shallow as you to care one jot whether I am attractive or not. Maybe I have more inner confidence than you.

Also you: One thing I do know is blowing one's own trumpet is not a trait I possess.

This isn't real, is it?

Hmm, so which one of you 3 changed your name? 🤔take your pile on elsewhere. Thought I was the bully.

LaDamaDeElche · 11/08/2022 21:17

Mississippi71" No, I'm sure you don't have inner confidence, quite the opposite. Only bitter people put other people down. I'm quite sure you're as unattractive in both looks and personality as your posts are and lacking in self love, because people who love themselves don't drag down others and judge them. They are generally bitter, unhappy individuals. Everyone can see that one this thread bar you, but keep lying to yourself and calling everyone else shallow 🙄.

ReneBumsWombats · 11/08/2022 21:18

Fuck you, Maria.

Mississipi71 · 11/08/2022 21:18

whalleyt · 11/08/2022 21:14

There is nothing wrong with thinking you are attractive, that is not the same as being arrogant. Like I said I think I'm pretty but that doesn't mean everyone will think so.

I bet you don't go round telling everyone you are pretty, though. Probably enough ppl notice for themselves. That is the difference. Seems some cannot quite get that point.

Mississipi71 · 11/08/2022 21:19

LaDamaDeElche · 11/08/2022 21:17

Mississippi71" No, I'm sure you don't have inner confidence, quite the opposite. Only bitter people put other people down. I'm quite sure you're as unattractive in both looks and personality as your posts are and lacking in self love, because people who love themselves don't drag down others and judge them. They are generally bitter, unhappy individuals. Everyone can see that one this thread bar you, but keep lying to yourself and calling everyone else shallow 🙄.

So you never disagree with anyone on MN. Bore off.

ReneBumsWombats · 11/08/2022 21:21

Just for clarification, I'm talking to the fictitious Maria, who's got the fucking gall to feel pretty after falling in love, the arrogant unattractive cow.

The actress must have known she was conventionally attractive to get cast, so she's a nasty piece of work too!

ReneBumsWombats · 11/08/2022 21:24

Mississipi71 · 11/08/2022 21:18

I bet you don't go round telling everyone you are pretty, though. Probably enough ppl notice for themselves. That is the difference. Seems some cannot quite get that point.

Do you not see the difference between "going around telling everyone you are pretty" and sharing a relevant personal anecdote in an internet discussion about the perks and pitfalls of beauty?

What on earth are you seeing?

wellhelloitsme · 11/08/2022 21:27

@Mississipi71

I bet you don't go round telling everyone you are pretty, though. Probably enough ppl notice for themselves. That is the difference. Seems some cannot quite get that point.

OP started a thread pondering whether women who are widely considered to be attractive understand the experiences of other women.

The poster you bollocked for sharing her experience as a conventionally attractive woman was literally just answering OP's question...

She didn't just run into your house uninvited shouting about how fit she is 😂

Mississipi71 · 11/08/2022 21:27

ReneBumsWombats · 11/08/2022 21:24

Do you not see the difference between "going around telling everyone you are pretty" and sharing a relevant personal anecdote in an internet discussion about the perks and pitfalls of beauty?

What on earth are you seeing?

A dog with a bone at the minute. You need to go and have a lie down. Talk about overheated.

LaDamaDeElche · 11/08/2022 21:27

Mississipi71 Disagreeing is normal. Your posts are judgemental, arrogant, salty and bitter. That's a completely different thing than disagreeing. It's clear to all what kind of person you are. Your winning personality just shines through with each response.

ReneBumsWombats · 11/08/2022 21:29

Mississipi71 · 11/08/2022 21:27

A dog with a bone at the minute. You need to go and have a lie down. Talk about overheated.

Hey, are you calling me ugly???

Mississipi71 · 11/08/2022 21:33

wellhelloitsme · 11/08/2022 21:27

@Mississipi71

I bet you don't go round telling everyone you are pretty, though. Probably enough ppl notice for themselves. That is the difference. Seems some cannot quite get that point.

OP started a thread pondering whether women who are widely considered to be attractive understand the experiences of other women.

The poster you bollocked for sharing her experience as a conventionally attractive woman was literally just answering OP's question...

She didn't just run into your house uninvited shouting about how fit she is 😂

Who said she did? It was announced on here. So according to the pile on brigade, you think it is perfectly OK to say the world sees me as beautiful because I can be beautiful when my skin is good. Hmm, could just see how that thread would go if it were started. I am not knocking anybody's self confidence. I have expressed an opinion on how that post came across. As I said, I see why somebody changed their name. I am bowing out of this thread now. So find yourself another punchbag.

NippyWoowoo · 11/08/2022 21:34

SavoirFlair · 10/08/2022 11:48

She was trying to be encouraging, but no encouragement will overcome your lack of self esteem. I hope you find the relationship you seek, but to do it you may have to draw upon self-confidence and give yourself a valuation you may not previously have accorded yourself.

OP doesn't state she has a self-esteem issue, self-esteem isn't what you say about yourself, it's about how you feel about it.

I'm fat and my self-esteem about that is good.

wellhelloitsme · 11/08/2022 21:36

Bye @Mississipi71 👋🏻

BrokenCopper · 11/08/2022 21:37

Being ugly probably have a easier life than socially awkward. I am both so I know.

At least I can always see the real side of a person. Anyone who is nice to me I can say they are good person in the inside as well. You see a lot more when you are a target of bullies although I rather not to be one!