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Wineislifealways · 2022-08-08T20:28:27+00:00

In terms of iPhones are better than android? Is it true that androids are less secure and more likely to have viruses? And that they crash and become unresponsive a lot? I have an iPhone but DH has an android and I can’t even use it, I hate it

Nishky32 · 09/08/2022 07:37

I really think it depends how you approach your phone. I have iPhone as its simple. Had a Samsung for a while and hated it. There was a thread on here at the time and people were helping me- someone said earlier that if you are technically minded android is better, you can make it do a lot more and personalise it.

I just want to pick up my phone and add something to my calendar.

I couldn’t go back to Android though as I closed my Google account due to hundreds of spam emails a day!

HunterHearstHelmsley · 09/08/2022 07:37

I had an iPhone for work. When my organisation starting giving out Samsung instead, my iPhone inexplicably broke. I hated that phone! It felt like one of those you give your gran because she can't manage a normal phone.

I have had Samsung Galaxy S since S2, I'm on S21 at the moment. They're just so intuitive. I bought a cheap Lenovo tablet and the basics are the same. They just make sense.

Smart Switch is brilliant. I don't have to faff transferring details. Just press a few buttons and wait a few minutes. Not having to update my card details all the time.. I think my wallet had updated my card number before I received the new card last time! So many app options. I tend to use Google maps but Waze works better in my car, it's easy to just have both.

I'd have an iPhone if someone gave me one for free. I could sell it and get the latest Samsung.

RampantIvy · 09/08/2022 07:41

Apple is a closed system for people who don't want to think about IT, or it skills. It's like a bike with stabilisers fitted.

Cosycover · 09/08/2022 07:47

BananaBender · 09/08/2022 07:19

iPhone all the way. My DH has Android phones. They suck and need replacing way sooner than my iPhone. Still on my first iPhone and DH is on his 4th or 5th Android phone. They freeze or get laggy and generally become barely functional. Apart from shit battery life and a microphone issue my iPhone is still great after 4.5 years.

I hate using his phone and he hates using mine. DD happily uses whichever one she can get her hands and can use both easily enough.

Maybe in your DH case but you can't speak for all android users. I had an S10 for about 6 years and was as good as new the whole time. No lag.

Cosycover · 09/08/2022 07:49

Apple have to buy alot of stuff from Samsung to even make the iPhone.

MsMarvellous · 09/08/2022 07:58

I think one of the positives of capitalism is that we have both so people can but what suits them best. "Better" is subjective.

BakewellGin1 · 09/08/2022 08:03

We all as a family ditched our iPhone and went Android.

Reasons included across four devices
Crashing/Frozen Screen
Apps randomly closing down
Didn't like layout
Lack of storage
Camera was better on new android

Alexandra2001 · 09/08/2022 08:07

Android is open source and is easily hacked and altered.

I think if security is paramount, Iphone is a bit better, ease of operation and decent security - Android.

I prefer my A72 over my iphone 11 BUT the Samsung sometimes just dies for no reason.

RampantIvy · 09/08/2022 08:09

Doesn't anyone have any antivirus on their phones then?

Southeastdweller · 09/08/2022 08:11

I’ve used android phones at work and they’re clunky. Aesthetically they’re shit compared to iPhones, as well. The best thing about using an iPhone is that it seamlessly syncs to my Mac and AirPod Pro’s. My iPhone 6S is still going strong after six years, I use it for my second job, but my main phone is the iPhone 12 which is perfect for me. The customer service from Apple is brilliant - can anyone say that about Samsung, Motorola etc?

Discovereads · 09/08/2022 08:11

SwanBuster · 09/08/2022 06:18

Please stop. This is the most embarassing thing I've ever read.

You really have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, and it's summer up by the final paragraph.

"So open source has no checks to ensure it is even written in an ethical way in the first place. You have no guarantee as to the intentions of the software engineer writing the code."

The clue is in the name - open source - that means anyone with a brain, can read the program and decipher exactly what the code does. If you don't understand, or trust the code, then 6ou don't use it. It is that simple. So open source software has more checks than closed source software because every software engineer on the planet can collectively read the code.

Please stop.arguing because you really are proving you have zero clue what you're on about.

You remind me of people who are complaining that they didn't understand that their interest only mortgage required a repayment of the principal amount.

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Nah, I think you have zero clue about open source code all honesty. It’s a given with how you’re engaging in personal attacks and calling me stupid, embarrassing and so on.

By the way I used to develop software for the military so I DO have a fucking clue. It’s not so simple as “anyone with a brain can read the program and decipher the code”. And no not “every software engineer on the planet can read the code” because software is written in dozens of languages. Besides, even if a software engineer CAN read the code, it doesn’t mean that they WILL or that they’d have the expertise to spot mal-ware bits of code embedded in a program. So no, actually open source software IRL has far fewer checks than software developed internally by a government or company.

I note too you have addressed the fact that since anyone can use open source for anything they want to, that it’s been used by unethical people to kill innocents and violate human rights. But hey ho, you go on thinking it’s “ethical” in your ignorance as to the real world harm it has done.

RampantIvy · 09/08/2022 08:16

The best thing about using an iPhone is that it seamlessly syncs to my Mac and AirPod Pro’s.

But it means that all your tech has to be Apple. Not everyone wants or can afford to own all Apple tech.

The customer service from Apple is brilliant - can anyone say that about Samsung, Motorola etc?

I don't know because I have never needed to contact customer ervice about any of my Samsung phones

shimmeryseahorse · 09/08/2022 08:17

Southeastdweller · 09/08/2022 08:11

I’ve used android phones at work and they’re clunky. Aesthetically they’re shit compared to iPhones, as well. The best thing about using an iPhone is that it seamlessly syncs to my Mac and AirPod Pro’s. My iPhone 6S is still going strong after six years, I use it for my second job, but my main phone is the iPhone 12 which is perfect for me. The customer service from Apple is brilliant - can anyone say that about Samsung, Motorola etc?

But there are dozens of types of android phones available. My DH’s iPhone is like a brick compared to my android one, which is slimmer and more aesthetically pleasing to me. And I’ve never needed to contact customer service as I’ve never had any issues with them!

Discovereads · 09/08/2022 08:19

SwanBuster · 09/08/2022 06:40

As for arguing that 'open source software can be used for evil so it's unethical' - the same applies to a kitchen knife, or a car, or a television (which can be used to watch propaganda) and any number of other inventions or things.

An iPhone can be used for evil purposes. Whilst apple's app store prevents the widescale distribution of apps it doesn't approve of, there's absolutely nothing stopping a developer from writing an app of closed source code in their own home and running that on their phone to do all manner of unethical things.

This line of argument falls at the first hurdle.

Ok well comparing open source code to a kitchen knife isn’t a valid comparison because that’s software to hardware. Of course a phone can be used for unethical purposes, but a phone isn’t software.

Whilst apple's app store prevents the widescale distribution of apps it doesn't approve of, there's absolutely nothing stopping a developer from writing an app of closed source code in their own home and running that on their phone to do all manner of unethical things.

Exactly, Apple prevents the publication of unethical Apps, software- which you cannot do with open source. The developer in your example is a hacker or rogue, they’re not developing closed source code for a government or company. And in fact, it is highly likely if they are writing unethical code theyre using open source publications to build their mal-ware.

SwanBuster · 09/08/2022 08:27

Discovereads · 09/08/2022 08:19

Ok well comparing open source code to a kitchen knife isn’t a valid comparison because that’s software to hardware. Of course a phone can be used for unethical purposes, but a phone isn’t software.

Whilst apple's app store prevents the widescale distribution of apps it doesn't approve of, there's absolutely nothing stopping a developer from writing an app of closed source code in their own home and running that on their phone to do all manner of unethical things.

Exactly, Apple prevents the publication of unethical Apps, software- which you cannot do with open source. The developer in your example is a hacker or rogue, they’re not developing closed source code for a government or company. And in fact, it is highly likely if they are writing unethical code theyre using open source publications to build their mal-ware.

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Good god. Software is a tool. A knife is a tool.
Tools can be used for good or bad things.

You were the one who started this whole stupid software/hardware argument when you refused to accept that you were comparing an operating system to a piece of hardware!

I'm done. My brain hurts. If someone is malicious, the availability of open source software isn't the determining factor in whether they act maliciously.

Thriftytits · 09/08/2022 08:27

This thread has gone all sorts of crazy! I used to be a C++ developer and I am enjoying all the techie vibes.

ImAvingOops · 09/08/2022 08:27

I have an iPhone 13. Got it because the rest of the family has apple, but if I'm honest, my basic huawei that cost £400 new was just as good. I'd imagine a top end huawei is brilliant if their cheaper ones are this good.

ImAvingOops · 09/08/2022 08:30

Also dd has iPhone SE 2020 and the battery is shit at supporting Snapchat and all the other teenage stuff she fills it up with. Had a new battery put in after one year and it's still shit - needs a battery pack if put for a whole day!

Redglitter · 09/08/2022 08:31

The customer service from Apple is brilliant - can anyone say that about Samsung, Motorola etc

No I can't but that's because in all the time I've had Samsungs I've never once needed to phone customer service

Personally I wouldn't have an iPhone if it was free. Far prefer Samsung

Discovereads · 09/08/2022 08:32

Discovereads · 09/08/2022 08:11

Nah, I think you have zero clue about open source code all honesty. It’s a given with how you’re engaging in personal attacks and calling me stupid, embarrassing and so on.

By the way I used to develop software for the military so I DO have a fucking clue. It’s not so simple as “anyone with a brain can read the program and decipher the code”. And no not “every software engineer on the planet can read the code” because software is written in dozens of languages. Besides, even if a software engineer CAN read the code, it doesn’t mean that they WILL or that they’d have the expertise to spot mal-ware bits of code embedded in a program. So no, actually open source software IRL has far fewer checks than software developed internally by a government or company.

I note too you have addressed the fact that since anyone can use open source for anything they want to, that it’s been used by unethical people to kill innocents and violate human rights. But hey ho, you go on thinking it’s “ethical” in your ignorance as to the real world harm it has done.

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Have not addressed the real world harm.
Another example was the Colorama open source software on PyPi. A hacker uploaded packages via typo squatting that when used, it secretly installs a VBscript that watches the system clipboard for a Bitcoin address and replaces that address with a hardcoded one. Essentially this plugin attempts to redirects Bitcoin payments to whoever wrote the “colourama” library. This package was easily hosted on PyPi, the main source of community contributed goodness for Python because it’s open source- zero checks on what is loaded up. How many of you have downloaded packages from PyPi without looking through all of the source code? Similar to the fact that most people don’t read all the T&Cs in a software package, it would be nearly all who use Python.

It’s not just Python, either. A similar issue was found on the NPM javascript repository in 2017. A user submitted a handful of new packages. Each package contained malicious code that grabbed environment variables and uploaded them to the author. How many web devs installed these packages in a hurry? Lots did.

SwanBuster · 09/08/2022 08:34

Discovereads · 09/08/2022 08:11

Nah, I think you have zero clue about open source code all honesty. It’s a given with how you’re engaging in personal attacks and calling me stupid, embarrassing and so on.

By the way I used to develop software for the military so I DO have a fucking clue. It’s not so simple as “anyone with a brain can read the program and decipher the code”. And no not “every software engineer on the planet can read the code” because software is written in dozens of languages. Besides, even if a software engineer CAN read the code, it doesn’t mean that they WILL or that they’d have the expertise to spot mal-ware bits of code embedded in a program. So no, actually open source software IRL has far fewer checks than software developed internally by a government or company.

I note too you have addressed the fact that since anyone can use open source for anything they want to, that it’s been used by unethical people to kill innocents and violate human rights. But hey ho, you go on thinking it’s “ethical” in your ignorance as to the real world harm it has done.

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I developed for the military too. Unlike you, for me code is code. c++, c#, python, rust, Fortran, java - it's a the same thing if you have a brain.

Discovereads · 09/08/2022 08:36

SwanBuster · 09/08/2022 08:27

Good god. Software is a tool. A knife is a tool.
Tools can be used for good or bad things.

You were the one who started this whole stupid software/hardware argument when you refused to accept that you were comparing an operating system to a piece of hardware!

I'm done. My brain hurts. If someone is malicious, the availability of open source software isn't the determining factor in whether they act maliciously.

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No, I did not start any argument. The poster making a snarky Apple vs Android is comparing manufacturer vs operating system post to me started the argument even though it was completely uncalled for an taking the entire thread out of the context the OP meant it in.

If someone is malicious, the availability of open source software isn't the determining factor in whether they act maliciously.
Yes it is. It’s the open source communities are an huge enabler for malicious coders to post packages online for millions of unsuspecting people to download.

SwanBuster · 09/08/2022 08:39

Discovereads · 09/08/2022 08:36

No, I did not start any argument. The poster making a snarky Apple vs Android is comparing manufacturer vs operating system post to me started the argument even though it was completely uncalled for an taking the entire thread out of the context the OP meant it in.

If someone is malicious, the availability of open source software isn't the determining factor in whether they act maliciously.
Yes it is. It’s the open source communities are an huge enabler for malicious coders to post packages online for millions of unsuspecting people to download.

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When I was developing for the military I found a bug in a military developed, yet open source library related to coordinate systems. Have a think about the consequences had that not been open source.

Walkaround · 09/08/2022 08:40

Discovereads · 09/08/2022 08:36

No, I did not start any argument. The poster making a snarky Apple vs Android is comparing manufacturer vs operating system post to me started the argument even though it was completely uncalled for an taking the entire thread out of the context the OP meant it in.

If someone is malicious, the availability of open source software isn't the determining factor in whether they act maliciously.
Yes it is. It’s the open source communities are an huge enabler for malicious coders to post packages online for millions of unsuspecting people to download.

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It’s like debating the pros and cons of oligarchy v democracy. 😂

Discovereads · 09/08/2022 08:47

SwanBuster · 09/08/2022 08:34

I developed for the military too. Unlike you, for me code is code. c++, c#, python, rust, Fortran, java - it's a the same thing if you have a brain.

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That’s Bullshit. You’re minimising the skills and training needed to code in multiple languages. If all it takes is “a brain” then why do we even have computer science degrees and qualifications by language? It’s not “all the same thing”. Lots of people “with brains” cannot open up the source code and understand it much less spot embedded malware- even software engineers who just don’t happen to know Python or Perl or Ada or Ruby. Much like you have a brain but cannot open up a human and do surgery on a pancreas- if you could even find it.

And there’s a time issue too, no one has time to check a million lines of code on every package they download from an open source community. And even if they had the time and expertise, no one is infallible. Open sources dependence on “some kindhearted volunteer who knows what they’re doing“ doing the cross checking on millions of lines of code is it’s biggest weakness…it’s rather like the grunt work no one wants to do in a group project. Everyone would rather download, run the program and focus on any bugs. So long as the cool effects promised by the package materialise, no one can be arsed to actually delve into what else is going on in the background.