To wonder why men hate women so much?

[YouAreNotBatman]

Violence againt women, sexual harrasment.

Controlling women bodies.

Women’s sexuality: frigid prude if you don’t want sex, slut if you.

Porn, sex ”work”.

All the MRA’s, mgtow, incels etc.

Even historically speaking they have no reason to be angry at women, women never had any power, mostly tried to accommodate to men’s demand/ wants, I think it still goes on.

Many women still tip toe the line to placate men.

What reason do they have to be so angry at women?

@DandyLandy That is utterly ridiculous. Are you a man?

I think both forms have huge value. It's the next generation. But it's care, and care is usually performed by women, so it isn't valued. That's inherently misogynist, as clearly it does have great value.

It's interesting: IT workers and medical managers were women in the past, and they were low status and low paid roles. Then men started doing them - now, the NHS is full of managers, and IT workers are largely male. And they're well paid and high status.

The two facts are surely related.

@Topgub

There are some benefits,but I suppose you could argue that's for the individual children rather than society as a whole.That's not saying any other forms of childcare are wrong or less.

A 2014 study found that the benefits of having a parent at home extend beyond the early years of a child's life. The study measured the educational performance of 68,000 children. Researchers found an increase in school performance all the way to high school-aged children. However, the biggest educational impact was on kids ages 6 and 7.4

Studies from the National Institute of Child Health and Human Development and the Institute of Child Development of the University of Minnesota found that children who spend a large amount of their day in daycare experienced higher stress levels and aggression as opposed to those who stayed home.

Subsequent studies also showed higher levels of stress in children in childcare settings compared with those who are cared for at home.10

Sadly , it does seem to come with adverse effects on the mums(as the majority of SAHP) not just financially, but mentally and emotionally as well, with a lot of studies showing they are less happy, more likely to be depressed,isolated etc.

Fuck me.

To be utterly blunt children that are well cared for and looked after are more likely to be net contributors that has been pointed out repeatedly to you. It’s benefit society because children survive and thrive in a stable environment provided by an invested motivated care giver, we need them to survive and turn out to be well-adjusted mentally well people because then they won’t go around killing you or mugging you or beating the shit out of you for fun that kinda thing.

The recent case in Newcastle where a gang of 10 children ganged up on another child and stabbed him to death is an excellent example of how society would’ve benefited from those people being cared for correctly. Society has now lost one child that would’ve been a net contributor and gained 10 psychologically damaged people it now needs to incarcerate for 10 years.

How did a thread about why men hate women degenerate into a thread about how SAHMs are lazy good for nothings? Women denigrating women does nobody any favours.

This is an excellent post 👏

SAHMs have denigrated themselves

@gnilliwdog

You dont see the issue in your bias thar presumes the only choice for women is working and using substandard childcare or being sahms?

@Nothappyatwork

Are you suggesting that all children of working mothers are going to end up in murderous gangs?

Really?

Ridiculous. Benefits include:
The children are gifted. With the right support they will go on to have successful careers and contribute to society with their high abilities.
Money is being saved by the local authority and other public organisations such as schools as they are not providing support.
The parent will be acquiring expertise which will help other families in the same situation, and may well go on to provide support that saves the public purse money.

Thank you.

I'm actually pleased by this post. I think you have shown precisely who you are, and I very much hope nobody gets it deleted.

Not that it should matter - disabled people are important, and have rights - but as I previously mentioned, both my kids are very cognitively able indeed. My son's maths abilities are exceptional beyond explanation, and always have been. He does A level work for fun at 13. We have every expectation that he will end up working in academia, or at GCHQ, because gifts like that are unusual. And my daughter is also exceptionally able - she attends a mainstream independent and is thriving there. With the right support, they should both thrive and be able to work in high paid roles - and contribute to society. Which without this support, they could not. Which is rather the point I was making: it has value, this work. To society, and to us.

I will also say that neither of my kids would be capable of saying what you just have. They are both very kind people. I won't say that it's upbringing, because I think to a large extent they were born that way. But it's a shame that the quality was never fostered in you. More things matter in someone than their earning capacity, I'm afraid.

@gnilliwdog

A child who can't cope in any form of educational setting is unlikely to even be able to work in future

Let alone live independently

Stop kidding yourself

Stop with your vile disablist nonsense DandyLandy.

Agree.

I'm lucky in that most of the men I have in my life (to the best of my knowledge obviously) are good men raising their sobs well.

BIL however, who has x 3 young daughters sees absolutely no problem with going to a lap dancing club on a stag party in Europe . He even commented cheerfully "They were all so young" .

Whilst it's no guarantee there is a likely chance these girls may have been trafficked. Someone's daughter. Sister. Niece. A very young woman dancing half naked for his gratification. Father to girls.

The cognitive dissonance is staggering.

@perfectstorm

Ah yes because those who can't cope in any form of child care or educational setting are destined for GCHQ

You need to stop lying to yourself and get over the fact your family as a unit are a drain to society not a benefit to it.

Society doesn't benefit from you staying at home

But I think you need to believe this so crack on

No you’re twisting my words but there is evidence to support the argument the parents who are heavily invested in their children won’t become involved in murderous gangs.

@idontwanna

That research didn't mention mums at home.

I'm kt sure you could describe a small impact on 6 or 7 years old behaviour that negatively affects women as a benefit to society

Theres also lots of research showing childcare is of benefit. Its why the state funds childcare from 2. They're not doing it for a laugh.

Thank you.

I volunteer for a charity to support other parents in this role, as it happens. I've been invited to discuss doing ad hoc paid casework for them recently, if I can fit that around my son's needs. My husband works from home 3 days a week and he has full flexi, so we're discussing how to work that.

Paid work, again, is not the only kind of worth.

I also intend to do a masters in autism education, once my two are grown up. Might as well use what I've learned more widely.

There actually is very little research that suggests the childcare is of a benefit to children from two years old and there’s a very good reason why it’s limited, targeted at specific demographics of society we are back to the not stabbing people if you’re verbally frustrated from a very early age.

@Nothappyatwork

I'm not twisting your words at all.

I asked what benefit having a sahm has and you gave me an example of a stabby 10 yo.

Do you even know if their parent was a sahm? Did you check?

Also, again, I need to ask.

What does being heavily invested in your kids have to do with being a sahm?

Are only sahms heavily invested in their kids?

@perfectstorm

Indeed. I am, as ever, reminded of this graphic.

I think SAHMs are like everyone else. Sometimes they are a drain on society, sometimes a gain. Any child could grow up to cure cancer because of an idea sparked as a child with a SAHM. Or a serial killer from a experience within a working two parent family. Or vice versa. Or a single parent (the patriarchy was quick to vilify single mothers, despite absent fathers forcing single mothers to be so!). It’s possible some SAHMs loaf around at home all day. But all the village functions and PTA fundraisers I know of have SAHMs behind them.

I know few working parents who don’t rely on someone not working some of the time. Be it a grandparent, other relative or a friend to do some childcare, even if only in an emergency. You need a back up, even if it’s just when they are ill and school holidays are they’re own special hell. (As someone with very little back up, I can verify it’s almost impossible). My cousin could not have worked if I didn’t have her kids when they were sick, and done some pick ups.

Theres also lots of research showing childcare is of benefit. Its why the state funds childcare from 2. They're not doing it for a laugh

It's not childcare the government funds. The government is funding education for those children. Huge difference.

Astounding. Truly.