Are you a feminist, if yes, what does it mean to you?

[YouAreNotBatman]

YANBU = I’m am
YABU = I am not

a transfemale worker

Wouldn't a transfemale worker actually be a transman though? Or are you attempting to muddy sex and gender?

Oops I failed the woman test

To me the best way to do something like that would be to employ a transfemale worker who provides support specific to the needs of transwomen under the umbrella of women's charity or community provision.

I probably wouldn't object to that. But your notion of what it means to "recognise the transwomen as women" is very unusual. Possibly unique. Everyone else thinks that "recognising the transwomen as women" means "letting transwomen join the women-only group".

Sussex rape survivors also believe that the only way to "recognise the transwomen as women" is to "let transwomen join the women-only group". They actually did have a separate group (and also a male group) but let transwomen join the women's group if they wanted to, in the name of inclusion and to the detriment of (female) women.

And that's why I'm supporting Sarah Summer's crowdfunder for legal action under the Equalities Act. This needs sorting. The whole thing is so unnecessary, Sussex had all the ingredients to get it right but their ideology meant they got it wrong at women's expense.

Anyway, I'm not sure that using language in such an unusual way is a good thing, you're going to have to explain what you mean every time you try to say anything.

Muddle*

If a transwoman comes to you bleeding from their genitals do you give them sanitary protection or call an ambulance?

If it is 'call an ambulance' them you know very well that transwomen are not women.

Exactly, that’s why it’s a stupid point to rehash. That’s what it means in relation to trans women. It’s not what it means in relation to being a biological woman.

Yes that's something we make sure to find out so we can be respectful. Thank you for clarifying your point I appreciate it and will bear that in mind.

Equality for women.

So for me, I support trans women (mentioning this because everything seems to end up a trans discussion at the mo!) but not in instances where women become belittled by terms like 'people who menstruate', because that removes respect for our gender and therefore equality.

Also not in transwomen competing in elite sport where there is no equality for other women who did not begin life with the vastly higher level of testosterone and muscle mass that would clearly benefit anyone in an extremely unequal way. Any elite athlete knows enough about biology to already know this themselves so if they are trying to force a right to compete, they are doing so knowing they have an unequal benefit over all other women they'll be competing against. And that's not equality.

In your opinion which you are welcome to. Just as I am to mine.

Refreshing to head someone admit they think being a woman is just about stereotypes.

Safe to assume you're not a feminist?

100% this

What is your actual answer though?

I don't believe that. Unless you specifically ask 'do you identify as cis' you should not call people that. People ask about gender but most people answering that question are not relating to it as an are you visiting question they're telling you about their biology. You are extrapolating. You're not cis unless you state your trans you know?

Anyway, what's living as a woman?

Cw12 you keep using female when referring to males, do you believe sex and gender are different things?

I am a feminist. I answered the question. I don’t believe trans women are biologically women. I believe they are trans women. I’m pissed of that every thread about feminism turns in to these cliched gotcha questions.

yep. No gender here at all. Cis is offensive and meaningless to me. I do not accept its application to me at all.

Sorry. I meant not relating to it as an 'are you cis' question.

I found your point about people who menstruate really interesting because personally it doesn't overly bother me - I am a person because I am a human and I think it's inclusive of transmen and others who menstruate which I like. I have less of a problem with that than when people use 'guys' to address a collective I'm a part of which I really hate. I would always say woman if I know the gender of the person I'm referring to though but if I'm not sure or it's a mixed group people seems fairly appropriate to me?

In your opinion which you are welcome to. Just as I am to mine.

You are of course, just as one is welcome to an opinion that god created the world in seven days or if you sail too far you'll fall off the edge of the world. Some opinions are better founded in science and reality than others.

"Cis" means you have a gender identity which matches your biological sex. People who believe everyone has a gender identity use it to mean the same as "not trans", but it is grounded in the assumption that there are two types of people in the world: those who have a gender identity which matches their sex, and those who have a gender identity which doesn't match their sex.

I have no idea what the features of the identity which supposedly matches having a vagina are, or what the features of the identity which supposedly matches having a penis are, but it sounds like sexist garbage to me. I don't have any kind of gender identity. I know I am a woman because I have a vagina and not a penis, and that is what I believe a woman is. It isn't an identity. It's a biological sex class.

If other people want to define themselves as transgender or cisgender, that's up to them. But I want to be left out of it. I don't want to be defined by reference to gender at all because I find that regressive and harmful.

Calling someone cis is defining them within the framework of a belief system most of us just don't share.

@Cw122

You see to have missed this question which seems to be a key point for you.

What does living as a woman mean?

If they're not biologically women, in what sense are they women?

Dresses and makeup don't make someone a woman in any sense and it is insulting to suggest that it does.

But that’s such a redundant argument because of course we have femininity and masculinity inside an entire wealth of gender spectrum. I believe gender is a social construct but it absolutely does exist in society. So you can say you have no gender identity but that’s very difficult in reality when you have binary choices: wear makeup? Feminine! Wear a balaclava? Masculine! In any way dainty? Feminine! Broad shouldered? Masculine!

Your belief is that trans women are women.

Is your belief also that they are female?

Language is important, something we are told by TRAs when debating the use of words relating to trans people.

For example we are told it's offensive to not call trans women 'women' without qualification because TRAs it's hurtful and in some cases describe it as literal violence.

If language is to be meaningful, clarity of meaning is absolutely critical. Not just for feelings, but for accuracy within topics like healthcare.

So as I asked, is your belief that trans women are female?

They’re not women - they’re trans women. They’re men who present as feminine, and the words we use for that are ‘trans women’. That’s about as simple as I can make that argument. You might not agree that it’s as basic as that, but it is.