To think the able bodied / mind/ non carer/ non low wage s worker on benefits, benefit population that claim benefits should contribute somehow to the community/ get the money for WORK .

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Yes this may be costly to set up such as enhanced dbs checks etc.

I feel that this would both give a purpose and a contribution. And lead to jobs possibly/ develop cv / show work ethic.

In addition , it may stop the resentment and the benefit bashing if the claimants are seen to be contributing to society.

This is not necessarily a tory notion.
Karl Marxs idea about each to ones own ability... encompasses this idea of people working together for the whole of society accordi ng to ability. A quick google implies this is actually a socilaist idea of all doing what they can . This is what i am suggesting.

And before anyone says they would be pushed into things.. maybe there could be a choice of ways to contribute ,like on a data base.

Also, I am a cleaner myself. I literally clean poo off loos. I do not feel less worthy than others . I do the job because I can no longer work in my profession , as I get older, ( burnt out nhs) and see nothing but value in my ( ? Seen as some,lowly work). It gives me structure, a decent wage, and I contribute. All good. No shame in doing a good job , whatever that job if it is in my ability.

How can this idea, properly managed be other than reasonable. ?

I've experienced it seen it been there. So are you outright calling me a liar?

Pip assessors dont decide if or at what rate a claimant gets pip

PIP is not about not being able to do it.. it is about not being able to do it without assistance.
So people claiming it can still be out and about with assistance. Or maybe they have a good day, and didn't need a carer that day.

If you are claiming benefits for a genuine reason, then you’ve no need to feel attacked.

But of course people lie to get benefits. If you can get the same income from benefits as you would on a NMW/ NLW job then SOME people will take advantage of this. And those that work in low paid jobs are understandably frustrated by this(myself included earning NLW)
It is clearly a choice some make, and I think that’s what the OP is getting at)

someone I personally know said to me recently
quote I’m going to play the disability card absolutely nothing wrong at all- just fucking lazy.

I could give several examples of people getting benefits( U/C) when in fact they could work/ work more hours but don’t want to. It might not amount to much money in some peoples eyes but whilst they are in receipt of benefits they are also entitled to many other benefits e.g free dental care/ prescriptions- I can’t afford dental treatment for a costly crown replacement; so will have to have the tooth taken out.

On the other hand I also know of several genuinely disabled people who get no where near what they should or deserve.

LOL! You've actually called yourself "patsy". Superb!

@GuyMontag ?

I'd love to know how all these fraudsters are claiming disability benefits.

I applied for LCWRA. They sent me a form. I filled it in. Didn't hear anything. Chased them up. Was told it was delayed due to covid. Chased them up again. And again. And again. Finally got my local welfare rights charity involved. Apparently I'd been turned down and missed the appeal deadline. Only I'd never been turned down. I'd never heard anything.

Spoke to someone else. They agreed I could take it to mandatory reconsideration, even though I'd failed the appeal (what appeal? I hadn't had an appeal). Asked for further info so I detailed how much my MH had deteriorated over lockdown. Turned down again because on my original application I said I went to Church regularly and could manage to speak to people. Oh and if the neighbour knocked for a parcel I could speak to them. Apparently that means I'm well enough to work.

On my MR I said i never left the house. Which was true. I had deteriorated that much.
Apparently I was meant to put a note on my online journal to let them know this at the time. Only no one told me that. And how many updates do they need? "Dear DWP. My neighbour knocked on my door today. I spoke to him and then vomited from anxiety" "Dear DWP i managed to walk to the corner shop with my Dc. The anxiety was so bad I shit myself before I got back through the front door"

My work coach knows fuck all about any of the disability stuff and told me it's nothing to do with him. He didn't even know what LCWRA was.

Yet Apparently people can just claim they have anxiety/depression and Bob's ya Uncle, they are rolling in it.

The point is they don't need a carer any day. Clients tell me to my face they lie all way through because that's what they have to do. They tell me! I'm not making it up .

Patsy400 makes a much more eloquent point than I ever will.

Ah come on, don't exaggerate. Her username is beautiful it's true, just perfect, but she's talking entirely as much horseshit as you are.

Thats awful. I hope it's over turned for you.

Lol neigh. Off to bed exhausted with the fuckwittery

Guy thinks I'm you. Xxxxx

Thanks but it won't be. The appeal system (that you use after the mandatory reconsideration) process was so confusing (was told to apply online, there was no online system for LCwRa appeal) and I couldn't get an appointment with the welfare rights people in time so I missed the deadline.

But I'm actually a lot better. Not 100% but I go out 3-4 times per week. Including on my own.

Hoping I'll be allowed to work part time and work my way up to full time.
And that's the bloody thing about it. I only needed temporary help while I was so ill. I'm not looking for a lifetime of benefits. Just an extra hand when I needed it.

@AncrenneWisse try living where I do and that myth would soon be put to bed

Generations of families who don't want to work

This was on my Benefit Bashing Bingo Card.

I'm calling House.. Council House..

It's always been shown that the number of long term I e.ployed is below 400k.
That's, divided over the amount of towns and villages in the UK would equate to less than 300 per town and village.

And yet... Everyone.. everyone knows families that ain't never worked. Everyone knows her from no 32 that goes to Hawaii on benefits every year. Everyone knows someone that refuses.to.work cause reasons...

It's logically implausible.

@alibongo5 you are aware of where most tax comes from? Normally the well paid who pay a lot more taxes

Got to admit I've not heard of that either. It's awful the added stress when you are not well. I see clients all the time too poorly to want to go through it. It's awful. I know the system is a good one to help people just wish those who need it get it. Glad to hear you are better though. We are all one payday or illness away from claiming. I have nothing against people claiming. I just hate the fraudsters. Xxxx

But that's how YOU feel OP. Some people claiming benefits like JSA for instance really aren't fit for work. An example was my MIL she has addiction issues, severe anxiety and borderline agoraphobia and PTSD. She is on PIP but she was originally refused abd taken off ESA and on to JSA and had to fight tooth and nail. A lot of people are refused sickness benefits who actually need them thanks to these Tory fuckers. Weekly JSA is barely back change, very few people just take it because they just want to sit on their arses. You are sanctioned left, right and centre, and have to prove you've actually been looking for work. Most benefit bashers really have no idea what a life on it is really like. I've seen it first hand and it's a lot of stress for peanuts.

If you are claiming benefits for a genuine reason, then you’ve no need to feel attacked.

The poster literally said 99% of all disabled people who claim benefits are actually liars. That's a direct attack on disabled people as a group.

Official government statistics say that only 0.3% of PIP claims are fraudulent. Please read that statistic again.

Look at the massive disparity between what the government says (not even 1% of claims are false) and what this poster is saying (99% of claims are false).

A Freedom of Information request found that a whopping 89% of all disability benefit fraud allegations are proven to be untrue (meaning, in cases where people are accused of faking being disabled or faking their benefits claims, 89% of the time it's proven that the person genuinely is disabled and is not faking).

The FoI request reveals something else, which is the absolutely staggering amount of times people falsely accuse disabled people of faking their disabilities.

The vast vast majority of calls to the Benefits Fraud Hotline are proven to be false and malicious.

@WhatdoImean what the pensioners who have paid in for years
No its not the pensioners who should be hit
All those who think there is noone who plays the system live in another dimension
These people then mean there is less for those that really need the support
I know some of these people
Mums who claim they are single but actually partner lives with them, etc etc
Then the real single parents are getting less
It may only be a small minority but it happens

Also disabled and on PIP.

You seem to think that DWP just takes our word for it that we are disabled? A sort of trust me card signed by us? That’s not the case. To get PIP I had over a thousand pages of medical documentation from several consultant specialists, occupational therapist, physio, rehabilitation, etc along with reports, tests, scans and assessment results..

Its not possible to lie your way to get PIP because PIP isn’t given based on what you tell DWP, but on what all the doctors and therapists tell DWP. And they’re not going to lie for you.

@JustLyra third generation would only just be coming into play as benefits haven't been around for ever
I know a family where gran , mum and grandson all claim
Is that not third generation ?

Not worth the hassle to create a whole scheme for people who are a very small number of benefit claimant. Most are I'll, disabled, in work already, parents, carers, etc. Very few people claim just for the hell of it, especially since the universal credit roll out. UC already have multiple programs that help people get back into work or to be self employed, and the government have funded a lot of distance learning courses to skill up the work force. Most of the jobs that would have been done on work fare have been turned in to doc called "apprenticeships" in things like hospitality and retail, and the rest usually done by zero hour contract or similar workers, who have to claim benefits for the no or low hour weeks.

Actually if your on Esa you can work for 15 hours a week or less and this is called permitted work. You sign a form and send back to dwp who are aware you are doing it. As long as its not doing anything that makes your condition worse you can do it

The poster literally said 99% of all disabled people who claim benefits are actually liars. That's a direct attack on disabled people as a group.

No I said 99 per cent of people I know through work who have claimed pip. Not 99.per cent of all pip claimants. Why that would be ridiculous no?