To think the able bodied / mind/ non carer/ non low wage s worker on benefits, benefit population that claim benefits should contribute somehow to the community/ get the money for WORK .

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Yes this may be costly to set up such as enhanced dbs checks etc.

I feel that this would both give a purpose and a contribution. And lead to jobs possibly/ develop cv / show work ethic.

In addition , it may stop the resentment and the benefit bashing if the claimants are seen to be contributing to society.

This is not necessarily a tory notion.
Karl Marxs idea about each to ones own ability... encompasses this idea of people working together for the whole of society accordi ng to ability. A quick google implies this is actually a socilaist idea of all doing what they can . This is what i am suggesting.

And before anyone says they would be pushed into things.. maybe there could be a choice of ways to contribute ,like on a data base.

Also, I am a cleaner myself. I literally clean poo off loos. I do not feel less worthy than others . I do the job because I can no longer work in my profession , as I get older, ( burnt out nhs) and see nothing but value in my ( ? Seen as some,lowly work). It gives me structure, a decent wage, and I contribute. All good. No shame in doing a good job , whatever that job if it is in my ability.

How can this idea, properly managed be other than reasonable. ?

According to research by Bristol University there's very little to break. 0.1% of benefits claimants are 'generational claimants'. Basicly you're wanting to introduce a costly, known to be ineffective, system to address a problem which doesn't actually exist.

In our town we had a factory specifically to enable disabled people and those with MH problems to gain work experience. I think it was called Remploy. Sadly due to austerity it was shut down in 2012.

I'm not talking about 40% tax payers but the mega rich. Maybe they should be expected to do jobs in the community as well as paying a higher tax rate.

I work in this area and this would be unworkable under the current system.

There's so many people who are waiting on DLA as they got refused the first time. Or the person who they're caring for has. Or they have childcare responsibilities. Or they'd need extensive support while in work as they're vulnerable and wouldn't cope otherwise, no matter how lovely and willing they are. So, so many and knowing the way the system works currently, it's these people who would end up bullied into inappropriate situations.

Which jobs would they do and would they be paid the going rate for those jobs?

So..... the unemployed account for about 2% of the welfare bill. Let's target those instead of the pensioners who account for about 40-odd percent.

Might it not be better to target the rich, and get them to pay more money?

But of course.... how stupid of me... the national press do not tend to point out about how rich people can minimise their tax bills by (for example) leaving the EU.... So much easier to kick people who are down and target them.

If there is a job that needs doing, then it should be paid for, at the appropriate rate. If it does NOT need doing, then the work is being done as punishment for someone who is not in a job.

It’s been done before. It was thoroughly abused by big companies who opted to use cheap labour rather than employ people in the roles.

one large childcare provider ripped the piss out of it for a long time round here. Taking people on the scheme for six months, giving them glowing reports for five months then deciding they didn’t fit into the team so they didn’t get a full time job. Then another free worker for another six months.
They called my niece five days after saying they couple employ her offering her a job as someone unexpectedly quit. They just didn’t want to give up a free worker.

FFS was the last thread on this not enough ?

If there are jobs that need doing then how someone and pay them for it. Then they aren't on unemployment benefits any more. (Yes I know its all UC now, but they'd be getting top ups instead)
You can't force people to work. Yes able bodied/ minded people should. Most of them want to.
There's also people (like me) who are too ill to work, but not ill enough to get any help. So to an outsider it looks like they 'should' be working.

The Rowntree Foundation have said they couldn’t find a third generation benefit claimant whey they looked into it.

it’s a pure myth up there with the “I know a guy faking a bad back that gets £5k a month in benefits”

There are millions of bits of litter / dirt/ fag ends that could be swept up or cleared from beaches

The people who fall into that category like will be on the bare minimum of benefits ,.

Also, who is going to be the judge of whether someone is able bodied/has MH issues? I have rheumatoid arthritis and some days I can't get out of bed for the pain, stiffness and fatigue. I inject myself weekly with a drug that's essentially low-dose chemotherapy and has the expected side effects, meaning I'm ill for at least 48 hours after I take it. And yet when I applied for PIP I was told I was perfectly fit and healthy and didn't need any help. I can only assume I wouldn't have been eligible for any out of work disability benefits had I needed them, either - thankfully DH's salary covers the basics but we do have to live very frugally.

There's no way I'd be able to do a job for £77pw, despite probably being judged able to.

So basically punishment of a made up job just because they’re currently out of work…

You’d have thought the pandemic and how much the world changed in an instant would have given people an insight, and a bit of empathy, about how easily jobs can go or industries be decimated.

but no. Still all tarred as lazy scrounges who should be out picking up manky fag ends to earn their pittance. As opposed to spending their time job hunting…

Then advertise it as a job and give the paid workers proper employment protection.

So you think people should pick up dirt and fag ends for £77pw?

Might just be better to put them in workhouses and be done with it, eh.

Why pay someone to do a job if you can get someone on benefits to do it for free?

Can you not see the flaw in your proposal, OP?

I reckon it would cost me that much to go to the nearest beach!

Well maybe not quite that much, but not far off.

Just because someone doesn't not have gainful employment does not mean that they do not contribute to society.

Yes they can get a job, of which there are plenty on offer at the moment

It's actually very difficult to get enough benefits to live on if you are "able bodied" but just choose not to work at all. It's also difficult to get benefits if you are in fact extremely disabled- there are many horror stories of people being declared fit to work when they are physically incapable of standing up for more than a few minutes or even when they are actively dying from cancer.

As others have said, the vast majority of people on benefits who can work, do work - it's just that earnings haven't kept up with the cost of living, so don't make enough money, so they need help. Would you begrudge them that? I certainly wouldn't. There's also the fact that the cost to administer this programme you've thought up would vastly outstrip any financial benefit to the public coffers.

Do you have any great ideas for recovering money from the real benefit scroungers, including the royal family, most millionaires and billionaires, tax-avoiding multi-national companies, etc? Because that's the kind of scheme I could get behind.

Oh dear OP. You have fallen for the myths of the right wing press.

I work with benefit claimants, most of them DO work as well as claiming the benefits they are entitled to. The benefits are a top up to unrealistically low wages and are a backdoor way of the government keeping wage costs suppressed for big businesses.

The ones that don't work don't work for a reason. Many of them COULD work if given the right support in terms of their physical and/or mental health but that support doesn't exist and employers as a cohort still continue to be inherently disabilist.

What is really crap is people on jobseekers being forced into care work. Care work (and nursing for that matter) should be given an incredibly high value in society, it should be competitive, highly renumerated work. Instead it's undervalued and touted as something for people to do when they don't have any other qualifications or can't get any other type of work . Then we wonder why the care system is falling apart.

There is hardly anyone unemployed who fits that description

Claimants that do not work,and claim .I was also only applying this to those who are fit in body.and mind and have no carer responsibilities.etc

How many people do you think fit this description?

Would this be a 0 hour contract 🤔

Lilithslove where i live there are many many unfilled positions. On my facebook each and every week employers are asking for staff. The current staff are exhausted .. covering too many shifts.

we have a labour shortage, it's not because more people are choosing not to work.