To feel angry at Tory voters?

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DF has always voted Tory. He’s very anti immigration and we will never see each other’s POV.
DHs friends are all Tory voters and hate being with them as they are all racist, xenophobic & misogynistic.
Other Tory voters I know through work or extended family members are also xenophobic and casually racist.
I’ve spoken to friends about this and they agree that the Tory voters they personally know are also racist and xenophobic.
Why is this?
Me and DH lived abroad and as we've lived as ‘foreigners’, we don’t share their views.

ok wonder away but l’d say the chances are pretty much zero though

I wasn't conned. 6 years after the vote and it still remains the biggest trigger for people insisting thinking they know best. As I said, this goady thread stinks of arrogance.

If i had said in 2014 the UK will leave the EU, or Boris Johnson would be removed from office by his own party, 2 years into his Premiership.... i suspect you'd have been equally as dismissive.

Ok so Starmer backs Brexit and Truss will switch to remain and take us back in to EU

good times

I don’t care but it sounds like your imaginings which I’ll leave you with

The future won't be better. Gen X and the Baby Boomers made sure of that through their insatiable greed and rampant selfishness.

They had a period of growth, peace, and stability the world had never before seen and chose to focus on the individual instead of the whole. History will remember them as the generations who had a chance to advance society for the better but instead squandered it on personal gratification.

The future won't be better. Gen X and the Baby Boomers made sure of that through their insatiable greed and rampant selfishness.

That's a bit strong, surely.

🙄

Good for you.
Quite a number of people voted against their own interests and have said so - farmers, fishing industry, some small business owners. They were conned. There’s also a certain arrogance in refusing to acknowledge that.

Don't know you jump on this like you do?

thats not what i said or implied at all, you just seem to take whatever you want to, quite destructive to the thread tbh.

All i am saying is that no one can predict, with your 100% certainty, any political or economic event.

I'd have thought that was quite a sensible view to take.

I am talking on behalf of me and the millions of others who weren't 'conned'. You don't think for me, as much as you and the OP would love to. Democracy is only ever on your terms.

Oh don’t be so ridiculous. What on earth has democracy got to do with thinking people made a mistake?
’I think people were conned’ ‘Reply: Democracy is only ever on your terms’.
This does suggest that you don’t have the faintest clue of what democracy is.
You can call me arrogant as much as you want, but your post is asinine.

Well, polling shows over 50% of all voters think Brexit a bad idea, with just 30% still agreeing with their choice.

Brexit will always have a "Base" and as you say, thats democracy.

But i keep coming back to the facts that Putin supported Brexit (as did Trump) and Johnson backed Brexit because it was a possible means to no10.

Johnson, the man no Tory candidate would say was honest or would give a job too... any job.

I’m sure it’s annoying to hear it wasn’t very likely but come on it was more a dig than sense so I’d credit you with knowing it’s not very likely

But sure nothing is 100% maybe it’ll happen fine by me

In the next year or two, agree but into the next Parliamentary term, dependant on who wins and the make up of the parties...

Anything could happen, not of course full EU but as discussed some sort of EEA membership, i think is very possible.

After all the UK was a founding member of EFTA.

Imagine a Labour LD or SNP coalition, polling says thats a possibility, what would be the LD and SNP demands?

Truss supporters not ruling out a snap GE on tha back of BoE forecast.

Ok initially it was Truss changing her mind back to remain

That is a different party and coalition.

I thought the former a bit far fetched it’s no big deal but I did assume it was a dig more than anything

I was holding back tbh.

I could maybe forgive them if they'd accepted responsibility for the damage they've caused and started to take steps to address the issues, but even now they refuse to do so or to acknowledge their failures.

For example, younger generations have repeatedly expresses that their main concern is climate change (by a considerable margin) followed by economic inequality. Yet any attempt at addressing these issues has been, and is still being met, with huge resistance by the remaining boomers and gen x'ers who hold the positions of power, as well as from the wider generational population who refuse to accept any changes in the standard of living they've become accustomed too.

I've seen several calls from Boomers/X'ers recently advocating for the scrapping of all climate targets and the return to burning coal because they don't want to change their heating habits or pay for the mess they've caused.

Maybe if they'd spent more time ensuring their governments invested in suitable energy infrastructure instead of privatising the whole industry so that a few could become exceedingly rich and the masses could link their generous pensions to them (something else gen z and beyond are unlikely to ever see) we wouldn't all be staring down this particular barrel.

Gen Y and Millennials are expected to "just get on with it" when it comes to climate change, job instability, housing prices, working into our 70s, etc, etc and are called snowflakes when they object to that notion. Yet boomers and gen X point blank refuse to accept any changes to their way of life because they've worked "hard" all their lives and deserve to retire at 55 with a final salary pension, fly abroad 4 times a year, and heat their entire 4 bed house to 22 degrees all winter for 50 quid.

Boomers and Gen X really are the epitome of entitlement and if were up to me I'd be asset stripping them all to pay for the damage they've caused to the planet and to society as a whole.

Damn baby boomers and Gen X. How dare we still have a life. Could be worse, we could flock to Glasto and leave piles upon piles of rubbish, conveniently forgetting our plight for the environment. Entitlement? Well if that's not a wind up. I don't know what is. Calling previous generations entitled when we are living in the biggest entitled era, led by millennials. You are certainly on the right thread.

The best way to scare a Tory? Tell them that Labour are remotely close to coming to power 😅

Why? Most of the rot started with Tony Blair and NuLabour and there is very little difference between Tory policies and Labour policies. What do you think Labour would do that would be significantly different? For example, they had 13 years to end the housing crisis and they could have built millions of social homes, instead Brown and Blair pushed buy-to-let. Tories haven't been any better but they built a few more social homes than the Labour party did.

Starmer is just a less charismatic version of Blair with no new ideas and I don't believe he or his party will do anything significantly different to what the Tories are doing. It will be all about how much individual politicians can line their own pockets and most policies will be for the benefit of big business, wokeism with no new ideas and continuing the non-partisan policy of throwing more taxpayers money at useless and broken systems that won't be reformed like the black hole that is the NHS.

Capacity and prices are very closely linked. Crosscountry in particular has been told for years to price off demand because the government (under all parties) won't sort out its chronic capacity issues. That's one of the reasons why shelving the Leeds leg is a bad idea because it would have meant a big boost between Birmingham and Leeds, which is currently very overcrowded.

Because when posters do point that out, they do it with the implication that voters were too thick to know what they were voting for, rather than recognising that people voted how they did because the existing system didn't work for them and they had nothing left to lose.

It's all well and good pointing at the Regional Development funds but people in Ebbw Vale would reasonably point out that now that the steelworks has closed, they're unemployed so can't afford a car to use on the new dual carriageway (never mind some of the more dubious schemes). In any case we were a net contributor so there was no reason that we couldn't have spent funds on the regions directly, rather than sending money to Brussels and getting a portion of it back.

@DdraigGoch Your assessment and recall of railway history and engineering projects go along with mine. Many years ago, for three years, I wrote the Annual Reports for Railtrack which involved interviewing all the senior directors. The then-CEO during my briefing explained that BR had been forced to price demand off the railways via fare increases to avoid spending money on the network during the years it was nationalised. The way it was privatised, in three parcels and I won't mention the scandal of the rolling stock sell-off the train operators reduced fares and passenger numbers soared, but exposed the lack of maintenance and the inadequacy of the instrastructure. The West Coast mainline debacle and cost over-runs sounded Railtrack's death knell.

It's all well and good pointing at the Regional Development funds but people in Ebbw Vale would reasonably point out that now that the steelworks has closed, they're unemployed so can't afford a car to use on the new dual carriageway (never mind some of the more dubious schemes). In any case we were a net contributor so there was no reason that we couldn't have spent funds on the regions directly, rather than sending money to Brussels and getting a portion of it back

Those steel works closed in 2002, after a very long decline, there was nothing at all stopping any Govt pouring whatever funds it saw fit into Wales but they didn't did they?
Just as Cornwall got funding from the EU but now, out of the EU and not paying 12 billion in, Cornwall, along with every other poorer UK area, is getting far less or none at all.

This is what Tories do
www.holyrood.com/news/view,rishi-sunak-deprived-urban-areas

"We inherited a bunch of formulas from the Labour Party that shoved all the funding into deprived urban areas and that needed to be undone. I started the work of undoing that."

Not some extreme back bencher but the man who was Chancellor and wants to be PM...

How you guys support a party where people like him feel welcome?

Though i fully expect you all will.

That’s a very interesting interpretation. I don’t think Labour backs Brexit at all but there’s a recognition that it’s happened and the least painful option for the country is to make the best of a bad job. In the event of a Labour government I suspect we’d see a lot of renegotiation and a much softer Brexit because there’d be no need to appease the ERG.

It's all very well talking about sending money to Brussels and only getting some back- but the fact remains that being a member bought 'all' industries /services with any import/export functions or overseas sales (and that's a lot) some huge advantages-

For the last 18 months the gvt have been in the position where they could 'subsidise' failing industries directly if they wished to do so-- they have actually shown next to no sign of being willing to do so. Nor have they put substantial funds to replace EU funds into areas that were previously receiving large EU payments