To feel angry at Tory voters?

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DF has always voted Tory. He’s very anti immigration and we will never see each other’s POV.
DHs friends are all Tory voters and hate being with them as they are all racist, xenophobic & misogynistic.
Other Tory voters I know through work or extended family members are also xenophobic and casually racist.
I’ve spoken to friends about this and they agree that the Tory voters they personally know are also racist and xenophobic.
Why is this?
Me and DH lived abroad and as we've lived as ‘foreigners’, we don’t share their views.

Yes the cost of living is entirely a Tory problem. Have you heard of macro economics? Do tell us how you think a left wing government can control the global economy.

Lord, this is stupid. It is this mix of stupidity and baseless sense of superiority that moved me away from the Left.

I just don’t want to stand next to this extremity of intolerance and stupidity.

Absolutely 100 percent this! Well said @DdraigGoch

The cost of living crisis isn’t caused by the global economy.
There’s a reason why our food/petrol/energy prices are 50% higher than in the rest of the EU
There’s a reason why the £ has devalued, causing inflation to goods/rent/house prices

it’s called Brexit.

Er no its not. Inflation is hitting the entire world, the US is in a recession and the Chinese economy is screwed. The rest of the EU is slightly behind but heading in the same direction. Brexit and Putin just added some icing to the cake. There are a huge number of variables - one example being the price of oil post covid etc. There is very little liquidity in the global stock market. Other European countries have chosen to intervene more to control the cost of living. That has to be funded from somewhere and the long term viability is not clear.

*All this hate. It must be exhausting. Just like the vitriol spat out by the hard-left at moderate Labour MPs, or at BBC journalists.

You seldom see conservatives (in the UK sense) talking about "hating" people. It's more "I disagree with what you say, but defend your right to say it*

On the contrary, I witness hate and disparagement being levelled at political opposites on both sides. Just as many Labour supports say exactly the same. I really wish people would stop using it as an excuse for defensiveness and aggression and be prepared to have an open-minded conversation.

All as bad as each other.

There’s also the difference in dealing with the effects of the global economy. Other governments have worked to mitigate them. Energy prices have only risen 4% in France. Other governments have massively reduced fuel tax. Meanwhile we have a government wasting time on yet another leadership election just three years after the last one.

These threads amuse me and just confirm that there isn't a single positive thing to be said about any of the other parties, so their supporters' last resort is name calling. Let's face it, Labour has even been an abysmal failure at being an effective Opposition Party.

Calling people names isn't very grown up is it? I have Labour voting friends; none of us have ever felt the need to call each other names because we are adults who can have a good debate and even agree to disagree. I wonder why that is?

Yes inflation is hitting the entire world, duh. Inflation or deflation but usually the former is an economic constant. The point is that it is hitting the U.K. far worse than other nations due to Brexit exacerbating things to crisis levels.

The U.K. is in a recession, and has been for over a year now, but no one wants to admit it. GDP shrunk by a massive 5%. The U.S. isn’t technically in a recession as their growth is projected to slow to 1.5% and +1.5% to GDP is not by technical definition a recession and a hell of a lot better than the -5% we’ve had in the U.K.

Oil prices you say? The price of crude oil were at record lows due to covid reduction in demand, and all they’ve done is go to pre covid 2018 prices. Hardly the kind of supply shock that justifies the current petrol prices RPI of 44.4%!

I really despise this watering down of issues. I am also always deeply suspicious of people who cross between Labour & Tory. It seems like band waggon jumping to me rather than a set of beliefs. I have almost always voted Labour (once Plaid C, once SDP) but I would never vote Tory. DH has always voted Tory until Johnson, but would never vote Labour.

What a foul thing to say. I'm speechless actually. I'm Labour my DH is Tory. I certainly did not marry him for the money. I find that incredibly rude & quite a dumb comment,

So you do see my point that there are other factors and it's not just 'Brexit' then, thanks.

The UK being in a recession is arguable and its definitely coming if not already here. But the recession will be global, not attributable solely to Brexit, and no country will be immune from it.

I'm very aware of the impact of crude oil, thanks, and your interpretation is very, erm, crude. I report on as part of my job.

Some countries have intervened to lessen the impact on the cost of living but how sustainable that will be against market forces is debatable.

I dislike Corbyn immensely but it was the membership that elected him, not the Party.

Recession isn’t about wanting to admit it or not it’s whether it meets the criteria.

So only slight growth in first quarter will not fit it

That doesn't prove anything especially as it looks as though it won't be any of them.

Same. We were each the higher earner at different points and I had more assets when we met. I wasn’t a very good gold digger!

More the most glaringly obvious examples of left politics killing people, which I would have thought should be impossible to miss for anyone with an even passing familiarity with history. And it is, after all, where the political left and right first came into existence and in a real sense defines what those things mean, so in that sense relevant to what leftism is in a fundamental way.

But we could also talk about the refusal of the LP in the 1930s to believe reports of what was going on in Russia, because they thought the ideological experiment was worth a few broken eggs. So continuing to trade with them for slave made goods, a practice which was stopped by the Conservatives.

Similarly the current refusal to look at the actual science around medical gender transition, because it's not what their ideological position says is the right way to think.

That kind of ideological blinkering is a thread that keeps showing up in the fabric of the political left.

I’m an immigrant and it’s pretty common in many immigrant communities to vote Tory. I don’t think you can say all Tory voters are racist. Some are of course but same as any party.

That kind of ideological blinkering is a thread that keeps showing up in the fabric of the political left.

The right aren’t immune to it. Austerity had its roots in ideology, not economics.

Theres some funny business going on with the ONS GDP calculations as of late.
So yes, there is political influence as to what % ends up being published.

I’ve only heard high praise from statisticians re ONS tbh and not people who generally care what politicians would say

What’s going on?

Surely the growth of the economy - or lack thereof- is a static equation equally applied across each quarter?

Well he held the seat for 10 years so he must have had some support.

Prices in mainland Europe, at least in the three countries I visited last month, are actually similar to the UK, but it's quite hard to generalise. Spanish supermarkets are cheaper than English and French supermarkets are dearest of all, but the NMW in Spain is under 7 euros per hour. Road fuels are much the same, except in Andorra which is about 20p per litre less, because there's no tax in Andorra. They have great motorways that knockk spots of the UKs, but you pay tolls to use them; roughly 150 euros for about 2,000k for our trip.

France have many nuclear power stations so they are slightly more buffered against rises in wholesale gas prices than we are, being highly dependent upon gas-fired power stations.