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To not understand drag queens at libraries?

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MouseShoes · 27/07/2022 15:33

Just recently, there seems to be lots of news stories about drag acts reading books for children at libraries. I don’t understand what this is meant to do. Is it supposed to lead to acceptance as the children get older?

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Whatalovelydaffodil · 28/07/2022 11:06

spirit20 · 27/07/2022 21:47

One of the main reasons is to make children realise that rigid gender roles such as boys don't wear dresses don't exist, both boys and girls can do what they want to do. This is a message I think it's good for kids to get.

I haven't seen the specific shows in question so I can't comment, but drag and trans people are two very different things. Most men who perform in drag are not trans.

If that is the whole point of it he should just wear what the average woman wears.

Dotjones · 28/07/2022 11:25

ThickCutSteakChips · 28/07/2022 10:02

So a drag queen called 'Flo Job' coming to a school and reading the kids stories is absolutely fine is it?

Just the same as a panto dame?

Is there a boundary, or not?

It's just a play on the PM, everyone I know calls him Bo Job, I guess that's what this individual is named after.

I think that libraries getting drag acts to come in is just part of the indoctrination/propaganda/grooming that children have long been subjected to in order to make them more receptive to whatever idea is deemed "right" by the powers that be.

When I was at school we were subjected to lots of visits by disabled people, there were lots of disabled people featured on children's programmes, all to make us believe that disabled people were "normal". We had lots of pro-European Economic Community stuff thrown at us and a lot of environmental stuff too (acid rain and the greenhouse effect I recall).

Kids before me got told racism was wrong, kids after me they got told that homosexuality was alright. The current "issue" is transgenderism, a lot of adults today hold views that are no longer considered appropriate, so kids have to be groomed so that they grow up to think differently to their parents.

AchatAVendre · 28/07/2022 11:43

Dotjones · 28/07/2022 11:25

It's just a play on the PM, everyone I know calls him Bo Job, I guess that's what this individual is named after.

I think that libraries getting drag acts to come in is just part of the indoctrination/propaganda/grooming that children have long been subjected to in order to make them more receptive to whatever idea is deemed "right" by the powers that be.

When I was at school we were subjected to lots of visits by disabled people, there were lots of disabled people featured on children's programmes, all to make us believe that disabled people were "normal". We had lots of pro-European Economic Community stuff thrown at us and a lot of environmental stuff too (acid rain and the greenhouse effect I recall).

Kids before me got told racism was wrong, kids after me they got told that homosexuality was alright. The current "issue" is transgenderism, a lot of adults today hold views that are no longer considered appropriate, so kids have to be groomed so that they grow up to think differently to their parents.

At school in Scotland, we had the Russian Revolution and communism thrown at us, never any criticism of it but all about how bad Russia had been before the revolution.

If we had got the French revolution as well, at least that would have been relevant to understanding how a modern Western democracy is founded! Or even how the British constitution works! But no, Russian communism it was.

VestaTilley · 28/07/2022 11:45

They shouldn’t be around children at all.

It’s being badged as being inclusive of gay people - but it isn’t at all! Drag has nothing to do with being gay.

Drag is a nasty, misogynistic caricature of women. It’s sexualised and not remotely appropriate for children. It’s creepy, and it’s grooming. It’s all about trying to co-opt children in adults sexuality and behaviour: it’s out of order.

FOJN · 28/07/2022 12:28

MrMrsJones · 27/07/2022 20:56

twitter.com/TheLaurenChen/status/1543405646049058816?t=IHC12aZh7Xaf7HKff8Ncag&s=19

Have you see this wholesome entertainment for children?

It's remarkable isn't it that a man in thigh high boots, a thong and with breast implants which have nothing more than their nipples covered is considered appropriate diversity education for children but no one would take a three year old to an event where women were dressed in a similar fashion.

gnilliwdog · 28/07/2022 13:46

I miss the days when libraries were a haven of peace and quiet, and children could get lost in the private world of a book. Entertainment is for theatre, the library used to be a place to expand your interior world - not to be passively 'entertained.'

SliceOfCakeCupOfTea · 28/07/2022 16:08

gnilliwdog · 28/07/2022 13:46

I miss the days when libraries were a haven of peace and quiet, and children could get lost in the private world of a book. Entertainment is for theatre, the library used to be a place to expand your interior world - not to be passively 'entertained.'

To be fair, if people wanted this type of library, they wouldn't be struggling as much as they are and wouldn't have needed to start having entertainment.

Clearly the old model wasn't wanted by enough people or wasn't sustainable. Far better that they move with the times and give people what they want than refuse to think outside the box.

gnilliwdog · 28/07/2022 16:29

SliceOfCakeCupOfTea · 28/07/2022 16:08

To be fair, if people wanted this type of library, they wouldn't be struggling as much as they are and wouldn't have needed to start having entertainment.

Clearly the old model wasn't wanted by enough people or wasn't sustainable. Far better that they move with the times and give people what they want than refuse to think outside the box.

I think they are just struggling for funding and trying to make money, though. I am not sure why, but our local library is staffed almost entirely by volunteers. So I suppose they can't afford to pay staff anymore. That suggests to me their funding has been cut, so they try to come up with ideas like drag queens story time.

ParsleySageRosemary · 28/07/2022 22:57

SliceOfCakeCupOfTea · 28/07/2022 16:08

To be fair, if people wanted this type of library, they wouldn't be struggling as much as they are and wouldn't have needed to start having entertainment.

Clearly the old model wasn't wanted by enough people or wasn't sustainable. Far better that they move with the times and give people what they want than refuse to think outside the box.

They were wanted. They were more popular than premier football was. Every single closure of a library has been accompanied by protests, and they are popular enough that volunteers are prepared to step in and keep them open when councils refuse to pay for staff.

They are not closing due to lack of popularity: it is due to lack of funding. Possibly it’s the other way: only by doing what they are told by centralised power representatives will they be allowed money to pay some staff. So the onus is back on the councillors and higher echelons to explain why these acts are suddenly considered appropriate.

SliceOfCakeCupOfTea · 28/07/2022 23:51

ParsleySageRosemary · 28/07/2022 22:57

They were wanted. They were more popular than premier football was. Every single closure of a library has been accompanied by protests, and they are popular enough that volunteers are prepared to step in and keep them open when councils refuse to pay for staff.

They are not closing due to lack of popularity: it is due to lack of funding. Possibly it’s the other way: only by doing what they are told by centralised power representatives will they be allowed money to pay some staff. So the onus is back on the councillors and higher echelons to explain why these acts are suddenly considered appropriate.

Genuinely not the case up here. Libraries have closed with no one paying any attention or protesting. There are better options (or have been in recent years)for a rainy Saturday afternoon. I do think that with the rise in cost of living people will realise what they've lost but the ones around at the moment are huge with many other feathers in their bow.
The old model may have been wanted but wasnt used enough for it to be valued by the powers that be.

Also with the huge rise in audio/digital books, a physical library is less and less likely to be used. You can find nearly anything online for free these days if you're so inclined. There has to be a USP.

gnilliwdog · 29/07/2022 00:02

@ParsleySageRosemary Yes, well put. Libraries may very well have to put on these activities to gain funding from councils. If they are paying the performer hundreds of pounds they are not likely to be profiting from the event itself.

gnilliwdog · 29/07/2022 00:12

@SliceOfCakeCupOfTea It may be different where you live, but I have lived in London and the South West and libraries appear well used. Many people need a quiet place to study, with internet access and reference books. It's a warm, safe place for elderly people, a place where children choose their books each week. People who might have all sorts of reasons for wanting to be out of the house could take refuge there. The right to borrow books and read for free was hugely valued. You are right our government doesn't value libraries, though. Also correct that people will value them more if their homes are cold, and they have little disposable income for books, computers and electricity.

Boxowine · 29/07/2022 03:36

FOJN · 28/07/2022 12:28

It's remarkable isn't it that a man in thigh high boots, a thong and with breast implants which have nothing more than their nipples covered is considered appropriate diversity education for children but no one would take a three year old to an event where women were dressed in a similar fashion.

To be fair, that is a private venue in Miami . Not a public library. And if you've ever spent time in Miami, you would know that you can see women wearing that on the street nevermind the beach..

Still not my cup of tea.

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