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To not understand drag queens at libraries?

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MouseShoes · 27/07/2022 15:33

Just recently, there seems to be lots of news stories about drag acts reading books for children at libraries. I don’t understand what this is meant to do. Is it supposed to lead to acceptance as the children get older?

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bjjgirl · 27/07/2022 20:18

I love drag and would have no issue as long as the language was appropriate and the book.

I think drag and trans are very different things

Smileyaxolotl1 · 27/07/2022 20:22

DramaticSunflower

please feel free to show me all these family pantos featuring drag queens.
did flo job or Miss carriage feature at all?

panto dames are different as they do not show any flesh and clothes and make up are designed to be silly and almost clown ish red spots on cheeks for example rather than perfectly defined cheek bones.

Addicted2Kale · 27/07/2022 20:23

It's not about tolerance. It's about coercion and social engineering.

ThickCutSteakChips · 27/07/2022 20:25

If it were really about inclusion, they would feature LGBT people from all walks of life. Firefighters, scientists, engineers, teachers who happen to be gay.

I don't think it's particularly healthy to teach children that 'LGBT' means blokes dressed as parodies of womanhood. What about gay people who just have regular jobs and lives? How come you never see butch women at these storytimes?

Smileyaxolotl1 · 27/07/2022 20:30

SteakExpectations

for a start Blankety Blank was not targeted at 4-11 year olds and purporting to be teaching them about diversity.

Chickpeasandbeans · 27/07/2022 20:30

AchatAVendre · 27/07/2022 20:08

Truly amazing. Thats about 500% more than I get lecturing part time in law at my local university's evening classes.

What a shame libraries don't want their audiences to hear about the law as well!

We host a legal clinic weekly, DQST is bi-annual. Public speakers can submit programming recommendations through our website which are then reviewed under our program development policy (just like DQST!) have you tried that with your local library? Generally programs that are approved are those that have high public interest, libraries tend to use programming statistics to choose what programs to pay for, often though public speakers will rent out or meeting rooms and the library simply hosts the event. My former library partnered with the local history museum to have historical speakers come in for example.

SliceOfCakeCupOfTea · 27/07/2022 20:31

ThickCutSteakChips · 27/07/2022 20:25

If it were really about inclusion, they would feature LGBT people from all walks of life. Firefighters, scientists, engineers, teachers who happen to be gay.

I don't think it's particularly healthy to teach children that 'LGBT' means blokes dressed as parodies of womanhood. What about gay people who just have regular jobs and lives? How come you never see butch women at these storytimes?

Yes you do!!

It is a 'thing'.
DH, a former fireman, has been and done many storytimes at libraries and schools. All the ones around us have professionals from all walks of life reading a story they relate to.

Catcatcat12 · 27/07/2022 20:31

clementine89 · 27/07/2022 18:29

As seasoned performers the drag artists are more than capable of altering and adapting their characters to suit young audiences. This may shock you but some the drag performers may even be parents themselves.

Please remember that implying all individuals who identify as LGBT+ are somehow predatory sexual deviants is an incredibly offensive and outdated example of homophobia.

And for those concerned this acts as some kind of indoctrination please remember that for young children any information on the LGBT+ community is not at all sexual but instead raising awareness that we are all different, people live their lives differently and that's absolutely ok.

Drag performers want to do this to promote literacy, diversity, support local libraries and help community cohesion. At its core, drag is about spreading beauty and joy - two things that everyone is entitled to regardless of your identity.

Drag performers can be of any gender or race so the idea of "what if a woman dressed up as a man" just isn't true - drag is inclusive and open to everyone.

Drag queens and story time go hand in hand as both are fun, educational group activities that spread love and understanding.

I find it interesting how few of the commenters here have actually attended one of these events. Perhaps they might learn something as well as their children.

You say drag queens do this to ‘support local libraries’, I don’t understand? In what way?

They are getting paid, someone mentioned £450 for three hours.

SusiePevensie · 27/07/2022 20:31

Went to one years ago. The last thing it was, was sexualised.

Smileyaxolotl1 · 27/07/2022 20:35

SusiePevensie

so the performer was wearing a cardie and brogues were they?
because every image I’ve seen from one is a bloke with fake Tits, smothered in lipstick and with a spray on costume. A clear sexualised parody of womanhood.

Melroses · 27/07/2022 20:36

I saw online the hideous hourly rate.

A friend of mine has been doing stories and songs for the last 20 years and doubles up as a library manager too, all for a pittance because libraries are short of money 🤷‍♀️

I sort of assumed these drag queen stories were provided free to the libraries.

ThickCutSteakChips · 27/07/2022 20:38

SliceOfCakeCupOfTea · 27/07/2022 20:31

Yes you do!!

It is a 'thing'.
DH, a former fireman, has been and done many storytimes at libraries and schools. All the ones around us have professionals from all walks of life reading a story they relate to.

Do you? I haven't seen that sort of thing being aggressively promoted anything like the way I have seen DQST being promoted? Are you able to link to some adverts?

DramaticSunflower · 27/07/2022 20:41

Smileyaxolotl1 · 27/07/2022 20:22

DramaticSunflower

please feel free to show me all these family pantos featuring drag queens.
did flo job or Miss carriage feature at all?

panto dames are different as they do not show any flesh and clothes and make up are designed to be silly and almost clown ish red spots on cheeks for example rather than perfectly defined cheek bones.

I’ve alway found drag acts to be utterly silly and positively clown like. Interesting to hear from someone who seems happy for children to be exposed to them when they act out fairy stories on stage but draws the line when they read a book.

FourChimneys · 27/07/2022 20:41

I am an actual woman. If a man wanted to dress like me he would be wearing a sweatshirt and a pair of leggings.

I don't know any actual women who dress like a man in drag does. It's a bit weird, like a grown man dressing up in a Gruffalo outfit.

Forestgate · 27/07/2022 20:42

Glenthebattleostrich · 27/07/2022 15:59

Drag is adult entertainment. You wouldn't have a toddler stripping or pole dancing session so why is drag ok?

One near me was advertised as challenging children's boundaries. A sentiment I find quite disturbing. I teach my daughter to trust her instincts and that her boundaries are hers.

I really hope this fad passes quickly.

This.

The organisers should be moved into different jobs. Unfit.

Giraffapuses · 27/07/2022 20:44

@SliceOfCakeCupOfTea excellent posts. You have patience I could never muster.

Smileyaxolotl1 · 27/07/2022 20:47

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Yucca78 · 27/07/2022 20:49

SliceOfCakeCupOfTea · 27/07/2022 20:31

Yes you do!!

It is a 'thing'.
DH, a former fireman, has been and done many storytimes at libraries and schools. All the ones around us have professionals from all walks of life reading a story they relate to.

Not in my area.......

Smileyaxolotl1 · 27/07/2022 20:49

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Smileyaxolotl1 · 27/07/2022 20:51

Yucca78

totally.

never heard of any story times apart from the drag Queen ones. Funny how the only people saying they exist are the ones desperate to justify larpers performing for little kids.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 27/07/2022 20:54

I’m not sure a man talking to kids about being a firefighter is massively promoting diversity though is it? Most ppl assume firefighters are male
a woman talking about being a firefighter would be promoting diversity

Smileyaxolotl1 · 27/07/2022 20:56

And for those assuming that libraries have always checked out the appropriateness of these shows.
Never forget about the rainbow dildo butt monkey….

MrMrsJones · 27/07/2022 20:56

twitter.com/TheLaurenChen/status/1543405646049058816?t=IHC12aZh7Xaf7HKff8Ncag&s=19

Have you see this wholesome entertainment for children?

DramaticSunflower · 27/07/2022 21:00

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Why are you calling me a ‘perv’ and ’thick as shit’ when all I want to know why you think it’s appropriate for a man in a dress to perform to children?

And I have no idea who ‘Miss C’ is. I censored the name because I think even you can agree than using that word on a parenting site to try and call out another woman thick is at best crass and at worst making a mockery of those of us impacted.

Boxowine · 27/07/2022 21:00

I don't know why this is a thing. Personally, I'm not able to separate the concept of a drag performance from the adult risque humour usually associated with it, although if you did I guess it would be very similar to panto.

I think this should be left to for profit venues if there really is a demand for it. Parents can choose for themselves if they feel like they need to take their kids. Libraries should stay clear of something that causes so much upset in the community

That being said, I am a little troubled by the whole LGBTs are grooming children thing. Like they're all perverts and child molesters because they're deviants. Enough with the pitchforks. It takes the focus off the fine upstanding citizens who are really doing it under cover of conforming to socially acceptable behavior. Look at the US with the scandals in the Catholic Church, Boy Scouts, USA Gymnastics all right out in the open and committed by respected leaders of society. I think if some of these protestors really cared about child sexual abuse they'd be out in the streets demanding Prince Andrew be extradited to the US to be interviewed by the FBI.

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