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Would men just put their kids into care?

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MustdrinkmoreH2O · 22/07/2022 12:32

Would be interested to know peoples thoughts on this.

since having my baby and going to a lot of baby groups and mixing with other mothers and reading these forums In can safely say a high proportion of men (not all of course), see child rearing as women primary responsibility.

Women tend to be the default parent in the events of splits and men having EOW or even just walking away completely.

So I was thinking, if women suddenly acted like men in this regard and literally left men holding the baby, what would honestly happen to a lot of children?

If women suddenly stopped carrying the mental load so didn’t book in any kind of medical appointment or arrange play dates or buy new clothes, what would honestly happen?

One of my friends is dating a single dad (mum walked out), but his parents practically raised the kids as he worked away. So still pretty much saw them only at weekends. However if a man leaves a woman with a baby, in normal circumstances she’d just find a new job where she didn’t work away, reduce hours of needed and use paid childcare. They wouldn’t normally hand their kids over to others to raise 80% of the time because they had to work.

So I’m really interested to see what a lot of men would do if the roles were reversed. If women literally just walked out or stopped carrying any mental load type stuff relating to the kids. Would men leave their jobs if required or go part time and claim universal credit?

Would the majority step up as women do and stop their hobbies, arrange childcare and extracurricular activities and basically fully give themselves to parenthood? Would they realise their kids need new vests, socks and tshirts or need a dental check up?

Or

Would they hand over their kids to grandparents/family members to be primarily raised or if failing that, put them into care? Would they do the bare minimum so kids are literally fed, watered and taken to school but other than that left to their own devices with no activities or medical appointments arranged or assemblies attended or well fitted clothes worn and basically be kind of neglected?

Be interested to know others thoughts on what would actually happen.

YABU - as many men as women would step up and look after their kids the same way single mothers do.

YANBU - unfortunately most men would try and shirk as much responsibility of child rearing sometimes even resulting in the care system if their were no willing people to become primary cater.

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Classicblunder · 23/07/2022 18:38

Trytoavoidthebastardbus · 23/07/2022 17:30

How do you think maternity is paid? I’m guessing you never returned to work while breastfeeding then?

I returned to work at 9 months and my DH did shared parental leave - still breastfeeding and he is now 3! He has never had a bottle either. After about 8/9 months, many babies can go without breastmilk during the day.

Classicblunder · 23/07/2022 18:44

Trytoavoidthebastardbus · 23/07/2022 16:21

I know one couple who split the parental leave 50/50 for the 1st baby and she did 9 months him 3 for the 2nd, I wonder if they have a 3rd she’ll take the 12 months.

We did exactly this - if we had a third, I would do 9/3 again. 6/6 sounded good in theory but in practice I felt like I got less than half the time because the first few weeks my DH was also off and I was recovering from birth. 9/3 felt more equal.

Topgub · 23/07/2022 18:56

Given that this is a hypothetical, in hypothetical land the law would prevent companies reducing mat pay

KisstheTeapot14 · 23/07/2022 18:57

My DH would step up and has always been very involved and changed jobs (less£) so he can support me and DS (who has SEN so there is a lot of work to be done in therapy but also in badgering NHS/LA/school to provide what should be provided).

I went out with a lad when I was 13 whose dad was bringing up him and his brother. Not sure what happened to their mum - divorced/moved far away I think. I was impressed that he was doing a great job they were lovely lads and their dad was dealing with all of it - work, house, emotional support.

I suspect there are a proportion of men who would foist children off on extended family, but most decent sorts would just have a steep learning curve.

Trytoavoidthebastardbus · 23/07/2022 19:11

Classicblunder · 23/07/2022 18:38

I returned to work at 9 months and my DH did shared parental leave - still breastfeeding and he is now 3! He has never had a bottle either. After about 8/9 months, many babies can go without breastmilk during the day.

I know they can - also feeding a 3 year old here too.

Trytoavoidthebastardbus · 23/07/2022 19:12

Given that this is real land - there really is not.

Topgub · 23/07/2022 19:18

@Trytoavoidthebastardbus

We dont have equal provision either.

Because women as much as men don't want it.

So its not just on men. Women think (weirdly) they should be the only ones entitled to leave

Murdoch1949 · 23/07/2022 19:18

Think it depends on their upbringing and the type of men they are. All my 3 sons are very hands on, share childcare, cooking, cleaning as their dad did. My brother got custody of his 3 children aged 6, 8 and 10, their mum wasn't bothered. We need to show good examples to our children, while remembering that not all women are good mums.

UndertheCedartree · 23/07/2022 19:21

I had a mental breakdown and was hospitalised for 3 years. My DC's dad stepped up.

MustdrinkmoreH2O · 23/07/2022 20:03

Thanks for all your responses. Very interesting food for thought of the inequalities and expectations of both men and women.

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Isaidnoalready · 23/07/2022 20:42

Leave isnt just for spending time playing with the babies the mum needs to recover too friend of mine had a forceps delivery so many stitches she could do nothing and suffered for months if she had split it 50/50 she would have spent 6 months recovering and he could have spent 6 months enjoying going out and enjoying the baby while she struggled with work

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