To be terrified that my 4yr old dd is starting school in September

[scorpiogirly]

Is it just me? The thought of sending her to school in September makes me feel sick. No parent should be terrified of their children starting school.

I'm speaking of the new RSE curriculum. Parents no longer have a right to opt out. Parents do not have the right to demand to see what their children are being taught. Dangerous ideology will embedded into every lesson.

5000 parents are taking the Welsh Government to court and the case has been accepted.

Schools seem to be following a script when met with questions about the new RSE. Safeguarding, age appropriate. Who decides what is age appropriate for our children?

But the trade off is religious indoctrination 😬 and I speak as someone raised a catholic with all that goes with it (hence why I’m no longer one 😁).

Bellepeppa, no human has ever changed sex. The surgery performed on a tiny minority of transgender men creates a fistula, not a vagina, nor do they miraculously acquire ovaries, a uterus or cervix. Every cell of their bodies retains XY male chromosomes. They simply become partially cosmetically modified men, not women.

I also think women are in far more danger from men who identify as men. The vast majority of women are abused are not abused by trans-people. They are abused by men.

Wise words.
They are also in more danger from men who are simply dressed as men - not men in drag or men posing as women or men pretending to be transgender. That may be what happens in various thriller movies, but real life is not ‘Psycho’ or ‘Silence of the lambs’ or ‘All Good things’ or ‘Insidious 2’… it’s a mesmerising notion for sure, that’s why it works well in movies. But it’s not real life.

I think you misunderstood. I didn't think YOU were saying there's anything wrong with it. But clearly OP is very worried that her child might learn about trans people. I was just saying - what your son has learnt is completely acceptable and age appropriate. Therefore OP needn't worry. I wasn't disagreeing with anything you said.

I clearly said I did NOT investigate further because he said they were taught some people feel they are in the wrong body rather than are.

What’s the difference?

@rainrelief but age years old isn't reception age, it's year 3/4 so considerably older, and that's the kind of teaching only someone with issues could object to.

I will answer points when I can. I will leave this here for anyone who wants to browse who things I'm overreacting.

THE UK SEX ED TRAIL *

All you need to know is here 👇👇👇👇👇

💥 RSE is CSE. Comprehensive Sexuality Education. We've all been misled.

👉From page 174 is the study in England & the reference to the UK agreeing to take part in the global roll out of sex ed
(2017) it states the research conducted in England but applies to the UK.

👉Page 8 informs it was the WHO (2010) Framework

www.publicchildprotectionwales.org/_files/ugd/c2f7b8_9cf544b5940a421a93b8843fd802be70.pdf

👉This is the document they signed up to in 2017, this is WHO framework (2010). Please read this slowly; from page 38 is the matrix, pay close attention to the titles and subtitles, information fed into a child, skills the child will acquire & attitude the child will develop from that information & skills. This is the idiology behind what the UK has signed up

www.publicchildprotectionwales.org/_files/ugd/c2f7b8_a6d606f6092e4d33ba70890b8ad9c1df.pdf

Moving forward to 2018

💥 The UK sees the introduction of lesson content & an updated CSE guidance/framework.

👉 Here we have the revised version for CSE
(please see statement 1.3 in this document, it explains it is a revised version & all agencies it's partnered with ). I think pg 2 tells you it's a global 2030 agenda. Here we have a rights-based approach starting from age 5 instead of birth, it sounds lovely but pleasure, consent, bodily rights & sexual rights for a child is definitely a huge no from us. Sexual rights? from birth?

unesdoc.unesco.org/ark:/48223/pf0000260770

👉 Sexual Rights

reproductiverights.org/sites/default/files/documents/pub_fac_adoles_rtsofchildren.pdf

👉 Sexual stimulation in 241 PRIMARY schools in England, September 2018.
The United Nations removed the “sexual stimulation” overnight. This is one of the reasons we CANNOT accept policy changes, it needs removing from the Act. On more than one occasion they've removed certain elements but reinforced a legaslative approach.

www.google.com/search?q=sexual+stimulation+lessons+at+school&oq=&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

👉 Search for different types of porn, the dice game, sex surveys!! All government funded.

💥 Porn in the classroom.

www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&client=ms-android-ee-uk-revc&source=android-browser&q=school+issues+porn+homework

💥 Dice Game.

www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&client=ms-android-ee-uk-revc&source=android-browser&q=the+dice+game+government+funded

Moving on to 2022. Legislation comes into force for RSE/CSE with no opt out from age THREE*

💥💥💥 Legislation here 👇👇👇👇

www.publicchildprotectionwales.org/_files/ugd/c2f7b8_8d8e0d4206ac4223875463a2e38faab2.pdf

💥 Government commissioned school sex survey.

www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&client=ms-android-ee-uk-revc&source=android-browser&q=Scotland+school+sex+survey

💥 Government commissioned survey introducing sexual questions.

www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&client=ms-android-ee-uk-revc&source=android-browser&q=wales%2Bschool%2Bsex%2Bsurvey

💥 We have an email from a school in Wales. There are links to England’s SRE which is our RSE. Devolved education?

💥 the UNESCO website hosts our new RSE/CSE code. It directs us to Scotlands lesson resources (as seen in pictures 👇👇)

👉 Unesco removed this link just after we filmed it. It has been replaced with a Spanish version.

fb.watch/cLJRiFCIsS/

👉 ASDA Sex ed Home school.

www.google.com/search?q=ASDA+SEX+ED&oq=asda&aqs=chrome.2.69i57j46j69i59j0l2j69i60l3.3708j1j9&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

👉 Safe Schools Alliance UK.

safeschoolsallianceuk.net/2020/06/18/a-letter-to-asda-regarding-their-home-learning-packs/

💥 Worldwide Campaigns.💥

www.comprehensivesexualityeducation.org/film/

👉 Scotland.

👉 England
schoolgatecampaign.org/

Please Note

We can argue the entire contents of these documents with credible evidence. The evidence supporting these documents are not scientifically based. We can discuss in detail the inaccuracy & manipulation of these “evidence based” documents. They are nonsense.

The more you look, the deeper it goes. You can get lost in it; it is a minefield.

I think this is a tad more than hearsay or misinformation 🧐

💥💥 SNP sex Ed supported by NSPCC 💥💥
The banana & Nutella video was eventually removed after 20 months of protest.

I read the first link there and all I gleaned from that was that the uk sex Ed looked like it didn’t cover much - and nothing about consent or sexual violence, which would be a shame (although doesn’t reflect any sex ed lessons I’ve been in in the past few years). Consent and bodily rights ARE age appropriate for a child to learn, as long as the language used is child friendly! It teaches them no one has the right to touch them sexually and think about who they trust to talk about it to if it did happen! This long list you’ve copied and pasted from somewhere doesn’t really say a lot- it seems like conspiracy mish mash. I think you’ve been spending too much time online honestly

You are right that men are the problem. You are wrong that men can become greater or lesser risks by giving them 'cis' or 'trans' labels.

And why women think that putting 🚻on the door is going to protect them
Actually a study on reports of sexual crimes in changing rooms in the UK did find that the overwhelming majority of them were in 'gender neutral' (mixed sex) facilities, I think the figure was 90%, from memory.. So sex segregated spaces are protecting women. They also protect women from voyeurism. They also protect women from the fear or discomfort of not being able to know the intentions of a male in a female space. And they also protect some women who have suffered male sexual violence from feeling frightened or triggered by a male in a female space. They also protect women from having to self-exclude from spaces they no longer feel psychologically or physically safe in , or which their religion means they cannot now enter if it is not a guaranteed female only space.

What I am interested in is why you believe, if males can now enter female spaces, males with motives to intimidate, expose themselves, voyeur or other sexually motivated crimes against women, will choose to self-exclude from these spaces? Why will these men, who need make no alterations to their appearance to enter these spaces (gender identity does not need to match expression after all), keep out of them? Why do you think the notion that its 'trans and cis women only' will keep these men out?

ALL, and I mean ALL, GC women know the problem is men. We just don't think men stop being the problem because they can now enter female spaces under a safeguarding loophole created by 'trans inclusion'.

And if you think keeping trans-people out of women’s spaces is going to make even a noticeable dent in the abuse of women, you are sadly deluded (and no, I do not wish to minimise the individual horror of anyone who was raped

Well, actually yeah, you are minimising rape. Because the argument you are making there, whether you realise it or not, and its an argument I hear over and over again from the gender ideology side, is that we don't need to worry as its only a small number. So only a small number of extra assaults don't really matter,. Well yes they do. Because ALL of the women who have been assaulted due to trans inclusion, all of the women who have been retraumatised because of trans inclusion, all of the women who have felt fear and intimidation because of trans exclusion - NONE of them, NONE of them would have had those specific experiences under sex segregated spaces. All of those experiences happened directly and solely due to the move from sex segregated to gender segregated or neutral spaces.

These facts are not an invented distracted created by a patriarchal conspiracy theory. They are facts. They are real experiences, real women are having in the real world due to deep ingrained cultural misogyny which is placing women and their concerns, experiences and safety as secondary.

You're entitled to your opinion although I'm not sure what it is based on considering you only looked at the first link.

I am attending a meeting this evening held by PCP Wales. I will report my findings.

Some odd OTT GC posts on here ATM, like this one and the one with the 90 year old GC nan 😂They just make GC concerns sound ridiculous and get lots of posters to agree. Interesting strategy!

I suppose you'd like these posts banished go the feminism boards so as not to alert the general public?

@scorpiogirly “ We can argue the entire contents of these documents with credible evidence. The evidence supporting these documents are not scientifically based. We can discuss in detail the inaccuracy & manipulation of these “evidence based” documents. They are nonsense.”
what does this bit of word salad at the end mean? Is the evidence scientifically based or not? Are the links provided examples you believe to be untrue or are they evidence of sinister lesson plans for sex ed? I can’t read the whole lot because it isn’t explained what these links are! Linking a random YouTube video isn’t going to convince me either, I’m afraid. Others are right, speak to the teacher, ask what’s included and put your curiosity to good use. Down call down Internet rabbit holes full of baffling scary bollocks

*oops, should read “don’t fall down”

If you can prove it is untrue and just scary bollocks, then please do because I would like nothing more than to be proven wrong.

@scorpiogirly i don’t know if you’re replying to me, I don’t want this hidden anywhere, I’m just confused as to what you think this shite is “alerting us to”. Where did you paste this from? Looks almost like qanon

the bullet points themselves are misleading! “Porn in the classroom” and then it links to a story about secondary school kids being asked to define pornography for homework - to open up a discussion about the effects of pornography and how what is represented can be damaging. Do you object to this? Or about young kids being taught that other people aren’t allowed to touch them in a sexual way? These conversations are useful! An awareness that some people identify as trans is also useful! They have to navigate the world, unless you want to withdraw them completely from society and never hear any words you don’t like. Children who aren’t taught bodily autonomy and aren’t allowed to talk about sex are much easier targets for abusers

Having kids in the Scottish curriculum where this has been in place the last 2 year - there’s absolutely zero issue. They are taught the correct language, boundaries, acceptance of others, tolerance and how to form their own decisions/debate.

much much better than my catholic school rhetoric of ‘man, woman, marriage, contraception is a sin’

So there's some stuff in that around a dodgy looking pack from ASDA (but no evidence that it's being used in schools). There's some text around how it is pleasurable to touch yourself - a lot of kids discover this much younger than primary age and the content in the text is nothing but common sense - that it's OK to do it but that it's a private thing. Unless you have hangups about masturbation, it's a non-issue.

FWIW I'm Dutch. Dutch kids get a LOT of very comprehensive sex ed. I had mine at secondary as part of the biology curriculum and even then (mid 80s) we discussed masturbation, porn and the objectification of the people (not just women) involved, consent and peer pressure, male and female orgasms, sex toys and how they might be fun. It was all done very professionally (techers are properly trained) and was matter of fact, some good discussions were had.

When it comes to sex ed I'm in the 'more is more' camp, especially since so many British parents seem to be unable to do it properly themselves. I certainly didn't trust the school to do a good job, I let my DDs attend but also added to what they were told in the home.

Oh no you're that parent. Of course the entire school curriculum should revolve around you and your beliefs, you are not being unreasonable.

In the meantime take a deep breath.

@scorpiogirly You are definitely catastrophizing all of this. Or you are a troll / bot - trying to cause friction where the vast majority don't see any. Or is this your PFB and you are scared of losing your control over what she consumes at primary school?

I notice a few of the links were from Christian organisations. It would help this conversation / thread if you let us know if you were religious and which one. If there is the odd one parent who has an issue with RSE lessons it's usually the ones who are religious fundamentalists.

I want my DC to have good health, well being and sex education. I want my DC to know about blended families, gay relationships, trans people. I want them to know about consent and how to spot toxic relationships. They will learn all of this in an age appropriate way delivered by brilliant, dedicated teachers.

All children - boys and girls - need to know that the people who cause the most violence and rapes in society are cis men.

Given all your 'research' I suggest you home school. I have an inkling you will be a nightmare for the school making huge mountains out of miniscule molehills

Jeezo if you have time to research all this you have time to home school (I know you said you work). Preparing children for school should be exciting and all about uniform, school bags and fancy colouring pens not stressing about what you don’t know yet. There will be parents meetings, curriculum events and the opportunity to email/phone in to clarify and issues you have. I would seriously put Google down and enjoy these last weeks of your child before they start school.

I remember the ASDA pack when it came out. I believe it was Baroness Nicholson who wrote to Asda regarding the content of the material. Asda replied stating that they had no idea of the content and removed the pack.

The pack was put together by a 'charity' called Diversity Role Models.

The below is taken from their website:

We create safe spaces where young people can explore difference and consider their role in creating a world where we all feel accepted. Our student workshops feature LGBT+ or ally role models who speak openly about their lived experiences, building young people's empathy so they can understand the (often unintended) impact of their language and actions. In order to ensure sustained change we supplement this by training school governors, staff, and parents/carers.

You know what, I really didn't think this thread would be met with such hostility and rudeness.

There are parents who aren't aware of the explicit material coming to schools in September, there are parents who are aware that don't seem to care and there are those who have no clue either way and who also don't seem to care.

I some of the responses shocking quite frankly.

As I said previously, I am going to a meeting this evening about the RSE coming to Welsh schools. I will report back when I have found out more.

And what's wrong with that?