To be terrified that my 4yr old dd is starting school in September

[scorpiogirly]

Is it just me? The thought of sending her to school in September makes me feel sick. No parent should be terrified of their children starting school.

I'm speaking of the new RSE curriculum. Parents no longer have a right to opt out. Parents do not have the right to demand to see what their children are being taught. Dangerous ideology will embedded into every lesson.

5000 parents are taking the Welsh Government to court and the case has been accepted.

Schools seem to be following a script when met with questions about the new RSE. Safeguarding, age appropriate. Who decides what is age appropriate for our children?

We use the NSPCC pants resources at my school. Very age-appropriate. Talks about consent in all different kinds of situations, not just about physical touching, all sorts of things to do with playground situations, friendship issues etc, and how to say no to things you aren't comfortable with.

I mean you have basically accused teachers of telling children to comply with sexual abuse

Yes it it open to interpretation which is also the problem. They're already being taught or encouraged to masturbate as it can feel good. That its just like picking your nose or playing with your hair. They're being taught they have sexual reproductive rights from birth.

So if said adult is abusing the child and it feels good to them.. what is the difference to the child of they're doing it themselves or someone else is doing it? Especially if it is an adult they love and trust. In most cases children don't even realise they are being abused. That's the problem with consent. They are being encouraged to explore their Sexuality from this age. Children are not sexual beings. The word sex and children should not even be contained in the same sentence.

And I'll tell you what, if I were a paedophile and I was abusing children, including my own daughter as a previous poster seems to think I am, I'd be fucking delighted with this new curriculum.

No I haven't. I have a problem with this guidance that teachers will be forced to use.

They're already being taught or encouraged to masturbate as it can feel good.

No, they're being told that it is natural and not wrong or bad. A very crucial difference. Do you have issues with masturbation? It's not at all unusual for young children to discover that certain things feel good, the human nervous system just works that way. And if your child has made that discovery, they need to learn how to manage it appropriately.

They're being taught they have sexual reproductive rights from birth.

At which age do you think people should have sexual reproductive rights? I mean, there was that 10yo in Ohio who didn't have sexual reproductive rights, apparently. That didn't end so well. This doesn't mean what you think it means. The guidance doesn't change the legal age of consent in the UK for starters.

They are being encouraged to explore their Sexuality from this age.

What nonsense. Learning about good and bad touch does not equate to being encouraged to explore their sexuality. This is your interpretation, coming from the things you've read and your own extreme anxiety.

And if you're wondering if I trust teachers in general... no I do not. Another reason that this curriculum is unacceptable.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/dec/17/child-sexual-abuse-in-schools-often-an-open-secret-says-inquiry

So you don't trust the government, you don't trust the head teacher, you don't trust teachers...

The definition of sexual reproductive rights:

Can a child of 4 make these choices?

No, my point about interpretation is that you are just interpreting it. The teachers have supporting materials, peer support and guidance, years of training and experience.

I can 'interpret' my blood test results with the help of google, doesn't mean the course of treatment I decided should be prescribed is right, because the doctor who does the actual doctoring has you know medical training, experience and colleagues to call upon.

@scorpiogirly the link to that article doesn't work - but I've looked at it and read it.

It's about historical sexual abuse and goes back to the 1950s. It shows that independent, special and residential schools were overrepresented. The recommendations are all things I fully agree with, as would anyone with good sense. And it has nothing to do with the SRE curriculum.

But in general I would say you should home educate because you will never be able to have a good working relationship with any school until you address your anxiety and your paranoid feelings.

Again, you are extrapolating and catastrophising. A child of 4 can make choices in contexts which are appropriate for a child of 4. The choices will be different for a child of 14. That heading doesn't mean that a child of 4 is able to choose to consent to sex - that is (as per usual) in your own head.

The video states that relationships and sexual issues will be taught in secondary schools. So why are you so 'terrified' for your 4 year old?

Those accounts are generally historical. Safeguarding in schools is now an absolute priority, and worlds away from what was sometimes happening in the '60s.

And of course the very curriculum that you are terrified of is actually teaching children that that sort of behaviour from an adult is wrong, that they can say no, and that they can safely report it to a trusted adult.

Please get some help, for the sake of your daughter. It isn't normal to be this obsessed and you'll ruin her childhood with your paranoia. Your GP should be able to put you in touch with some mental health support, but it would be quicker to go private.

OP, does your child's father share your concerns?

But OP you are taking short bullet point topic headings and extrapolating them to what they would mean in a peadophiles eyes.

Its not going to be peadophiles teaching this, it’s going to be teachers. And of course teachers can also be peadophiles, but if your daughters teach was then I don’t think the CSE curriculum would be the main concern there.

Sure, it could mean XYZ to a peadophile, but it’s been clearly explained by numerous posters what will actually be taught.

Ironically, you seem very #nodebate on this.

Children are being encouraged to masturbate?! Not at our primary school! I don't think children are sexual but sensual. I remember my daughter aged only 2 telling me it felt nice to touch her private areas. Nothing sexual about it but it's a very sensitive part of the body (like feet!) and she'd already discovered it felt nice there. My son discovered his penis at a very young age! I don't think this is alarming at all. We all have to live within our bodies and we soon learn which bits are sensitive and which aren't. You can't pretend children aren't already aware of this and say that it must never be mentioned. That's bizarre. It's not dirty or wrong.

If you don't trust teachers then shut the fuck up, put your money where your mouth is, and home school.

Yes he does. As do many other parents across the UK.

Why has the High Court granted a judicial review based on the evidence presented to them if there is no evidence?

They would have been laughed out of there and told not to walk to the end of the earth in case they fall off.

I'm done arguing here with people who either don't have a clue what they're talking about or don't actually care about children.

If you don't trust teachers then shut the fuck up, put your money where your mouth is, and home school.

PLEASE STOP POSTING THIS

This little girl needs other adult influences in her life. She needs someone keeping an eye on her. She should not be trapped with the OP for her whole childhood.

Oh get lost.

And to the poster who called me a paedophile, I suggest you make an appointment with your GP. Also read up on libel laws in the UK, as accusing someone of paedophilia without evidence could one day land you in very hot water.

I am actually quite disturbed that the parent of a four year old is seeing her entire education in the terms of sexuality. It's a really strange focus.

I'm not talking paedophilia by the way. More obsession and intrusive thoughts.

Absolutely this!!!