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To be terrified that my 4yr old dd is starting school in September

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scorpiogirly · 20/07/2022 10:20

Is it just me? The thought of sending her to school in September makes me feel sick. No parent should be terrified of their children starting school.

I'm speaking of the new RSE curriculum. Parents no longer have a right to opt out. Parents do not have the right to demand to see what their children are being taught. Dangerous ideology will embedded into every lesson.

5000 parents are taking the Welsh Government to court and the case has been accepted.

Schools seem to be following a script when met with questions about the new RSE. Safeguarding, age appropriate. Who decides what is age appropriate for our children?

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Completelyovernonsense · 20/07/2022 17:20

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scorpiogirly · 20/07/2022 17:21

Because the pack promoted pedophilia and the same group who put the pack together are involved in what is taught in schools. That is what is wrong with it.

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Pipsquiggle · 20/07/2022 17:23

scorpiogirly · 20/07/2022 17:18

You know what, I really didn't think this thread would be met with such hostility and rudeness.

There are parents who aren't aware of the explicit material coming to schools in September, there are parents who are aware that don't seem to care and there are those who have no clue either way and who also don't seem to care.

I some of the responses shocking quite frankly.

As I said previously, I am going to a meeting this evening about the RSE coming to Welsh schools. I will report back when I have found out more.

Are you going to a school meeting where you can ask questions?

Do you honestly think explicit materials are going into primary schools and reception classes?

Pipsquiggle · 20/07/2022 17:26

scorpiogirly · 20/07/2022 17:21

Because the pack promoted pedophilia and the same group who put the pack together are involved in what is taught in schools. That is what is wrong with it.

Please show us examples of the paedophilia promoted in this pack.

supersonicspider · 20/07/2022 17:27

They learn about being able to change GENDER in year 4.

Pipsquiggle · 20/07/2022 17:27

Honestly - just home school.

You are beyond exhausting.

SallyWD · 20/07/2022 17:31

scorpiogirly · 20/07/2022 17:18

You know what, I really didn't think this thread would be met with such hostility and rudeness.

There are parents who aren't aware of the explicit material coming to schools in September, there are parents who are aware that don't seem to care and there are those who have no clue either way and who also don't seem to care.

I some of the responses shocking quite frankly.

As I said previously, I am going to a meeting this evening about the RSE coming to Welsh schools. I will report back when I have found out more.

But most of us responding are people who have children at primary school and we believe your fears are completely unfounded. Every time my child has had a lesson with anything related to puberty or reproduction we've had a message from the teacher several days before. They outline what they will discuss and how they will teach it. We're invited to discuss any concerns with the teacher beforehand. We know exactly what is taught and I can't believe it's only our school that is so open about this (speaking to friends I know their schools are the same). Your child must feel like your baby at 4 years old but believe me once your child is in year 6 it's likely she'll be going through puberty, may have started her periods, will probably have feelings for certain boys (or girls) in her class. It's a completey different ball game. Most of us year 6 parents WANT the teachers to tell them about sex, relationships, puberty, etc. All the children in my daughter's year 6 class have phones. I wish the teachers would talk to them about the dangers of porn etc because many of them are soon to discover it. This is life. Its essential we educate our children as they enter puberty. It must always be done in an age appropriate way but I have complete faith that this is happening. I feel so confident about it because I know exactly what's taught in these lessons.

scorpiogirly · 20/07/2022 17:32

Pipsquiggle · 20/07/2022 17:26

Please show us examples of the paedophilia promoted in this pack.

Maybe read the article.

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Seemslikeaniceday · 20/07/2022 17:43

pointythings · 20/07/2022 12:10

When you say in the middle, what do you mean?

@scorpiogirly it means that I want to keep women only spaces and that the focus should be on creating third spaces. It means that I do not believe all transwomen are just men looking to predate on women and replace them. It means that I think telling a teenager that they are not what they feel they are in that moment is unhelpful, likely to alienate them and likely to entrench their position. It means respecting someone's chosen name and pronouns even if I don't agree because to do otherwise is rude. It also means that I think telling a child they are trans when they behave in a gender nonconforming way is bollocks - we should be telling our children that whatever they were born, there isn't one right way to be but many. It means that I'm not going to listen to the TRAs any more than I am to the extremists on the other side.

Exactly. There should be no girls toy or boys toys, just toys. And yes action man is a doll! There should be no girls clothes or boys clothes, just clothes.

Decades ago I really thought Eddie Izzard was leading the way and more men would chose to wear skirts, dresses, heels etc. Women wear typically male clothes e.g. trousers, boxers, shorts, DMs, and have done for decades that’s why you get “boyfriend” cut jeans, cardigans and shirts. Why aren’t there the same for men? Men do wear skirts but insist they are called kilts - why?

The reason I don’t want males in female single sex spaces is because 99% of rapes, sexual abuse and VWAG is by males. Whether or not they are trans is irrelevant.

OP as others have said you can ask for sight of the material/lesson plan, you can ask for your DD not to attend, you can talk to your DD about the subject matter. Being aware of what is happening is being a good parent, being interested in what your daughter is being taught (all subjects) is being a good parent, not trusting what a head teacher says is verging towards paranoia, unless they are Boris Johnson, give them a chance.

As pp have said there is important content such as the correct names for body parts, the pants rule etc. which your DD will benefit from. Women and girls need to know their bodies, what is normal and what is not, so they can engage and articulate to medical professionals and advocate for their sex specific medical needs. God knows the NHS needs us to be able to engage and educate them on how our bodies work - it’s 21st century and only in the last few years has the menopause (a long way off for your DD) actually started to been taken seriously by the NHS.

Pipsquiggle · 20/07/2022 17:55

scorpiogirly · 20/07/2022 17:32

Maybe read the article.

Did a 10 seconds Google search which explains the context of how the material would be taught and how it was part of an anti racism section.

LemonLymanDotCom · 20/07/2022 18:03

”I don't want her learning anything nit based in reality.“

But yet you have considered sending her to a Catholic school. Would you Adam & Eve it?
oh, hang on…

Sanfranciscobabe · 20/07/2022 18:41

There is absolutely nothing ‘explicit’ - everything my child has been taught has been entirely age appropriate

WTAF re ‘promoting paedophilia’?!

you are hysterical

Whatwouldscullydo · 20/07/2022 18:42

it’s 21st century and only in the last few years has the menopause (a long way off for your DD) actually started to been taken seriously by the NHS

Til they removed the word woman from the information on the website

Teach12 · 20/07/2022 20:34

scorpiogirly · 20/07/2022 16:13

You're entitled to your opinion although I'm not sure what it is based on considering you only looked at the first link.

I am attending a meeting this evening held by PCP Wales. I will report my findings.

I'm a teacher and you've put up lies about the RSHP. Or, have you not looked at the lessons yourself and just copied misinformation from somewhere else regarding the Scottish curriculum?

Petulathethird · 20/07/2022 21:02

scorpiogirly · 20/07/2022 16:02

I will answer points when I can. I will leave this here for anyone who wants to browse who things I'm overreacting.

THE UK SEX ED TRAIL *

All you need to know is here 👇👇👇👇👇

💥 RSE is CSE. Comprehensive Sexuality Education. We've all been misled.

👉From page 174 is the study in England & the reference to the UK agreeing to take part in the global roll out of sex ed
(2017) it states the research conducted in England but applies to the UK.

👉Page 8 informs it was the WHO (2010) Framework

www.publicchildprotectionwales.org/_files/ugd/c2f7b8_9cf544b5940a421a93b8843fd802be70.pdf

👉This is the document they signed up to in 2017, this is WHO framework (2010). Please read this slowly; from page 38 is the matrix, pay close attention to the titles and subtitles, information fed into a child, skills the child will acquire & attitude the child will develop from that information & skills. This is the idiology behind what the UK has signed up

www.publicchildprotectionwales.org/_files/ugd/c2f7b8_a6d606f6092e4d33ba70890b8ad9c1df.pdf

Moving forward to 2018

💥 The UK sees the introduction of lesson content & an updated CSE guidance/framework.

👉 Here we have the revised version for CSE
(please see statement 1.3 in this document, it explains it is a revised version & all agencies it's partnered with ). I think pg 2 tells you it's a global 2030 agenda. Here we have a rights-based approach starting from age 5 instead of birth, it sounds lovely but pleasure, consent, bodily rights & sexual rights for a child is definitely a huge no from us. Sexual rights? from birth?

unesdoc.unesco.org/ark:/48223/pf0000260770

👉 Sexual Rights

reproductiverights.org/sites/default/files/documents/pub_fac_adoles_rtsofchildren.pdf

👉 Sexual stimulation in 241 PRIMARY schools in England, September 2018.
The United Nations removed the “sexual stimulation” overnight. This is one of the reasons we CANNOT accept policy changes, it needs removing from the Act. On more than one occasion they've removed certain elements but reinforced a legaslative approach.

www.google.com/search?q=sexual+stimulation+lessons+at+school&oq=&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

👉 Search for different types of porn, the dice game, sex surveys!! All government funded.

💥 Porn in the classroom.

www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&client=ms-android-ee-uk-revc&source=android-browser&q=school+issues+porn+homework

💥 Dice Game.

www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&client=ms-android-ee-uk-revc&source=android-browser&q=the+dice+game+government+funded

Moving on to 2022. Legislation comes into force for RSE/CSE with no opt out from age THREE*

💥💥💥 Legislation here 👇👇👇👇

www.publicchildprotectionwales.org/_files/ugd/c2f7b8_8d8e0d4206ac4223875463a2e38faab2.pdf

💥 Government commissioned school sex survey.

www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&client=ms-android-ee-uk-revc&source=android-browser&q=Scotland+school+sex+survey

💥 Government commissioned survey introducing sexual questions.

www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&client=ms-android-ee-uk-revc&source=android-browser&q=wales%2Bschool%2Bsex%2Bsurvey

💥 We have an email from a school in Wales. There are links to England’s SRE which is our RSE. Devolved education?

💥 the UNESCO website hosts our new RSE/CSE code. It directs us to Scotlands lesson resources (as seen in pictures 👇👇)

👉 Unesco removed this link just after we filmed it. It has been replaced with a Spanish version.

fb.watch/cLJRiFCIsS/

👉 ASDA Sex ed Home school.

www.google.com/search?q=ASDA+SEX+ED&oq=asda&aqs=chrome.2.69i57j46j69i59j0l2j69i60l3.3708j1j9&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

👉 Safe Schools Alliance UK.

safeschoolsallianceuk.net/2020/06/18/a-letter-to-asda-regarding-their-home-learning-packs/

💥 Worldwide Campaigns.💥

www.comprehensivesexualityeducation.org/film/

👉 Scotland.

👉 England
schoolgatecampaign.org/

Please Note

We can argue the entire contents of these documents with credible evidence. The evidence supporting these documents are not scientifically based. We can discuss in detail the inaccuracy & manipulation of these “evidence based” documents. They are nonsense.

The more you look, the deeper it goes. You can get lost in it; it is a minefield.

I think this is a tad more than hearsay or misinformation 🧐

💥💥 SNP sex Ed supported by NSPCC 💥💥
The banana & Nutella video was eventually removed after 20 months of protest.

You've given all these links but it doesn't follow that any UK primary school has even read any of it, or are even contemplating acting on it

Schools are far more reasonable places, with teachers who generally have plenty of common sense, than you seem to imagine.

They are not hotbeds of crazy ideologies just waiting to pounce on your daughter and indoctrinate her.

Just try to prepare your daughter for the lovely experiences she will have at school - making new friends, doing lots of fun activities etc.

Reception teachers are far too busy just organizing shoes, coats, water bottles and classroom displays, amongst a million other jobs. They just don't have the time to worry about indoctrinating their class with the current political nonsense.

pointythings · 20/07/2022 21:40

OP, I've just looked at the WHO document and its matrices by country. I cannot for the life of me understand what it is that you or anyone else would find objectionable in it - those are all common sense goals in the provision of sex ed and should be applauded if fully implemented. Also the site you pulled all this from doesn't seem able to spell the word 'ideology' so I can only assume it's not very reputable.

Teach12 · 20/07/2022 21:43

rshp.scot/

The link above has all Scottish lesson plans and materials on it.

I assume you've not looked at these as what you've linked isn't correct?

saraclara · 20/07/2022 22:14

I'm not going to quote your post that begins...

I will answer points when I can. I will leave this here for anyone who wants to browse who things I'm overreacting.

...because it's incredibly long. But quite honestly it makes you seems really obsessed with this subject.

Your child is four. Starting school should be exiting and positive for her, but all you seem to be thinking about is this single area within a single subject which really isn't going to impact her in a reception classroom in any way.

ArmWrestlingWithChasNDave · 20/07/2022 23:18

Pipsquiggle · 20/07/2022 17:27

Honestly - just home school.

You are beyond exhausting.

Please don't encourage this person to home school. Her daughter needs to be taught by people who aren't unhinged.

Seemslikeaniceday · 20/07/2022 23:54

Whatwouldscullydo · 20/07/2022 18:42

it’s 21st century and only in the last few years has the menopause (a long way off for your DD) actually started to been taken seriously by the NHS

Til they removed the word woman from the information on the website

😂

Maymaymay · 20/07/2022 23:59

I think you should be much more concerned about this extreme level of anxiety you are placing around the start of her education.

araiwa · 21/07/2022 02:14

I presumed from the thread title that op was American.

Pipsquiggle · 21/07/2022 08:39

ArmWrestlingWithChasNDave · 20/07/2022 23:18

Please don't encourage this person to home school. Her daughter needs to be taught by people who aren't unhinged.

@ArmWrestlingWithChasNDave of course you are right. I was just getting exasperated on OP's fixation on a tiny part of education which will not be covered in KS1 at all.

Children who have parents that have extreme views are the ones that most need alternative dialogue.

I watched a documentary last night on the BBC, Unvaccinated by Hannah Fry. It was so infuriating watching these 7 people who were so far down the rabbit hole that they couldn't turn back. By the end of it at least some people had softened slightly which I guess is better than nothing.

No matter how many posters come on here and tell OP that these lessons are not covered at all when they are in KS1 and she should just chillax, she'll keep posting bollocks links to religious /spurious sites

Maddogsandtoplessenglishmen · 21/07/2022 08:46

Dangerous ideology will embedded into every lesson.

Every lesson 🙄

Here have some colouring in and don't forget, if you choose pink you are really a girl

Lets learn the alphabet today boys and girls and undecided gender people

Do you really genuinely think teachers are furiously re writing all their lesson plans over the summer to make sure 'gender ideology' is included in each one?

WindOnMySkin · 21/07/2022 08:47

Goodness, this is still going. It's so obvious what this thread is trying to do. Framing gender critical thinking as unhinged, People really need more critical reading skills. Nice work Op, nice work. 🤔

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