To be terrified that my 4yr old dd is starting school in September

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Is it just me? The thought of sending her to school in September makes me feel sick. No parent should be terrified of their children starting school.

I'm speaking of the new RSE curriculum. Parents no longer have a right to opt out. Parents do not have the right to demand to see what their children are being taught. Dangerous ideology will embedded into every lesson.

5000 parents are taking the Welsh Government to court and the case has been accepted.

Schools seem to be following a script when met with questions about the new RSE. Safeguarding, age appropriate. Who decides what is age appropriate for our children?

GC = Gender Critical (also known as transphobic )

Because of what I have read and been told by other parents, articles etc

If my daughter ever questioned her sexuality or own 'gender' I would of course support her, not in her decision but in talking to her and listening to her feelings. Would I be whipping her off to a gender clinic to discuss puberty blockers? NO!

Thank you, very helpful post.

gov.wales/sites/default/files/publications/2022-01/curriculum-for-wales-relationships-sexuality-education-code.pdf

I have just had a read through, I can't see anywhere where it says "learners" can not opt out.
It states mandatory in terms of what the lesson must include, not that it is mandatory for all "learners" to attend and you can't Opt out of it.?

I don't want her learning anything nit based in reality.

Gosh, that covers a wide variety of things though. Father Christmas, Easter bunny, tooth fairy, god....I'm sure people could add to the list.

OP I think you are overthinking it really. Not surprisingly the majority of young children believe what their parents believe, regardless of what they are taught elsewhere. And more importantly, all information is key to opening up discussions and keeping in touch with your child as they get older and start navigating this stuff for themselves. You might find at 13 or 15 they brush off all that they have known before for their own take on the world, or their friends, or they may carry on believing you, who knows?

My own children (now early 20s) are atheists regardless of going to CofE schools and having friends who believe in god. Many interesting discussions have happened over the years.

If my daughter ever questioned her sexuality or own 'gender' I would of course support her, not in her decision but in talking to her and listening to her feelings. Would I be whipping her off to a gender clinic to discuss puberty blockers? NO!

It is not a decision.

gov.wales/sites/default/files/consultations/2021-05/consultation-document-relationships-and-sexuality-education-guidance-and-code_0.pdf

Page 7 4th paragraph

if this is real and you are actually enrolling your child,

Why on earth are you sending them to a school where you don't trust the head? I don't envy her job for the next 6 years.

As a parent, you can opt out of anything, you just don't send them in on those days. Being taught about consent and your privacy for your own body can not be taught young enough.
Also it is encouraged that children know the correct names for their body parts.

I've looked at what's on the 3 years + curriculum and can't see which elements terrify you, could you point out which parts are terrifying ?

Okay, not in her willingness to transition.

Not all, and I'd even go as far as to say not many who transition suffer from genuine gender dysphoria. Many are AGP's, many are confused children/teens, gay children who are told they are trans, some predators who want to be able to self ID their way into female only spaces.

Like I said before, I believe there are very few with GD genuinely.

The one I viewed was names as the 2022 document and it doesn't state it on that I don't think. But either way nothing is mandatory if you choose it not to be, no big deal, they can be sick if you are so terrified.

But which parts worry you ?

Your child wont be taught any of that in primary school. Do you believe everything you read in the Daily Mail?

...said every mother who ever had a child about to start school!
You seem to have put yourself on a war footing before she's even started - it's ridiculous and you've turned the rich, everchanging, diverse, life enhancing experience into a single issue problem - or are you going to contest everything that the very human, variable, under-pressure, resource limited state education system is trying to provide? I would hope that you would want your daughter to really enjoy school - and not at any point want to bring any anxiety into her life over it. It won't always be plain sailing - nobody's life at any stage is that unrealistically perfect - it's good to face challenges - you daughter will fall out with other kids, make new friends, have accidents, do amazing things that will surprise you and disappoint you sometimes, discover hidden talents, develop preferences, learn to express herself - it's a journey - get on board with it.

Report, delete, this is so not a genuine post.

Just a trans activist doing what they do.

I think some do and other "writers" and then post under another guise just to spark an opportunity to "discuss" it.

No parent would send their child to a new school whereby they didn't trust the head, especially on such a "terrifying" subject.

It absolutely is a genuine post.

So why are they going to a school you don't trust the head ?

And exactly which parts from the curriculum terrify you.
If it were our DS I would know exactly which parts I was terrified of and have that raised with the school.

What actually happens if you are raising a child that has questions about their own gender and needs to be supported on a path to learn more

How many four year olds have you met who have 'questions about their own gender?'

It isn't that u don't trust her per se. It's due to what I have seen, heard and read. Many parents have no idea what is actually going on in schools or about to go on.

I believe teachers are urged not to share material or to be evasive when question as if parents knew the content, there would be uproar.

Not all, and I'd even go as far as to say not many who transition suffer from genuine gender dysphoria. Many are AGP's, many are confused children/teens, gay children who are told they are trans, some predators who want to be able to self ID their way into female only spaces.

Like I said before, I believe there are very few with GD genuinely.

But what does that have to do with what children are taught in RSE? As you say, some people are transgender, that’s all that matters in the context of what children are taught. What is so terrifying about that? If you’re concerned about predators in female only spaces that’s a separate conversation to be had (although probably not when your child is 5…) A man may pretend to be gay to get close to a woman under false pretences - that doesn’t mean we ignore the existence of actual gay people and don’t teach children about about homosexuality.

This.

IME gender ideology has randomly cropped up in my DC schools for past 5/6 years - in very working class Welsh area.

Though with DD2 the primary school did manage to slip in creationism much to our disgust - age appropriate books about natural selection and David Atten bough programs sorted that out.

It's in their peer groups anyway - though you can mitigate to some degree - polite to everyone but questions on problem areas.

I'd talk to the school - and wait to see if there are issue then address them or make plans to home school.

Not all, and I'd even go as far as to say not many who transition suffer from genuine gender dysphoria. Many are AGP's, many are confused children/teens, gay children who are told they are trans, some predators who want to be able to self ID their way into female only spaces.

Like I said before, I believe there are very few with GD genuinely.

But what does that have to do with what children are taught in RSE? As you say, some people are transgender, that’s all that matters in the context of what children are taught. What is so terrifying about that? If you’re concerned about predators in female only spaces that’s a separate conversation to be had (although probably not when your child is 5…) A man may pretend to be gay to get close to a woman under false pretences - that doesn’t mean we ignore the existence of actual gay people and don’t teach children about about homosexuality.

'Terrified'? YABU.

Glinner has nutpicked some egregious examples, but there is nothing to say that there were any negative impacts on any of the children as a result of these, or anything that couldn't be cleared up in a quick discussion with a parent.

I'm very trans suportive but personally do think it's not actually helpful to discuss gender identity with kids under about 8 because it can be easily misunderstood by young kids and cause some perplexity, and give the tiny % of children who may be trans that it could help is so vanishingly small, it's not worth doing to help them.

But if you keep an open channel with your child you can probably explain your point of view - remember, they are not teenagers, your viewpoint still shapes their world more than school. Hearing someone say 'Men can have children' is not going to do irreperable damage to your child, but if you have concerns, talk to them about it.

Schools are honestly not going to be relentlessly pushing some sexualised, hey everybody can be whatever gender they like hardline day in day out, honestly. Some stuff you disagree with, and may be right to disagree with, may feature in the occasional lesson, but as long as you actually talk to your child, in an age appropriate way, it's really not going to harm.

NB I think talking sexual pleasure to 14 year old girls, as in Glinner's example on Day 3 is actually a bloody good idea. It's not pervy. Teaching girls at an appropriate age, which 14 very much is, that sex should be pleasurable when you choose to do it keeps them much safer than letting the societal narrative carry on that sex is something to be endured if you're female. It's healthy and safer for girls to recognise and expect good sex than to not be told anything or told they just have to 'put up with it'.

This, stop getting worked up by niche online presences and engage with your DDs actual school.

It isn't that u don't trust her per se. It's due to what I have seen, heard and read

Well you did say you "don't believe a word she said". So you think she is lying to you, so you can't trust her ?? Why send them then if she was lying to you.

Many parents have no idea what is actually going on in schools or about to go on
And the majority do, The majority do know what's being taught in their kids schools especially when it's subjects like this.

I believe teachers are urged not to share material or to be evasive when question as if parents knew the content, there would be uproar
The people you have heard, seen or read documents from are not from normal decent schools then. All my friends schools are very forth coming with information of what is being taught. And that is from across the country.

Really, you need to teach your "4 year" old to go the source to form your opinion. Don't listen to hearsay, be your own person, make your own decisions based on fact (not others opinion)