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Sixpencefaux · 2022-07-16T20:00:47+00:00

Has anybody seen the footage from a Leeds secondary school where a student attacks another student. When the teacher steps in, the student then repeatedly punched the teacher in the face. It really is shocking.

woodhill · 12/11/2022 20:40

HerMajestysRoyalCoven · 12/11/2022 20:23

Have a look at any thread on here where a parent is posting about their child being violent at school. It’s full of posters telling them how to force the school to keep them in the classroom whilst alternative provision is looked into. Any suggestion that the needs of the other kids not to be attacked is met with outrage - this is disablist. Any suggestion that the parents should home educate their child is met with outrage - it’s not their job, they shouldn’t have to compromise their jobs, the school should be better at stopping the violence. Any suggestion that it traumatises other children who may themselves have disabilities is met with outrage - the other kids should have to learn to be more tolerant.

There are no easy answers but the outcome is that at present we don’t accept, as a society, the fundamental premise that nobody should have to endure an environment where they are physically attacked. And that is deeply wrong.

Yes

NandorsFamilar · 12/11/2022 21:14

A friend of mine is a secondary school teacher and has been for 2 decades.
A yr 7 pupil threw a chair at her head (no reason, just because) and teacher had to evacuate the classroom and let the kid get through the anger- while my mate was bleeding from the head.
The school SLT was very much of the view "these things happen'. So my mate left that day , signed off sick (whilst having stitches) and never went back.
it was the last occurrence in a long line of 'well these things happen' as regards pupil violence and using weapons.

Some schools just really don't care

cocktailclub · 14/11/2022 07:02

A lot of this sits squarely with parents. Not saying it's intentional.
And if funding supported early intervention to support better parenting then teachers could basically teach. And not have to be social workers, psychologists and even security guards. The minority who continue to be violent and disruptive should be segregated in a specialist provision. Not to punish them but to protect others and allow everyone else to learn.
All students would get better education because more time would be spent teaching and teachers wouldn't leave because they were unsafe.
Society would benefit.

JobSeekingMissile · 14/11/2022 07:05

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Morph22010 · 14/11/2022 07:13

cocktailclub · 14/11/2022 07:02

A lot of this sits squarely with parents. Not saying it's intentional.
And if funding supported early intervention to support better parenting then teachers could basically teach. And not have to be social workers, psychologists and even security guards. The minority who continue to be violent and disruptive should be segregated in a specialist provision. Not to punish them but to protect others and allow everyone else to learn.
All students would get better education because more time would be spent teaching and teachers wouldn't leave because they were unsafe.
Society would benefit.

Then you need to give feedback on the send review to your mp rather than thinking it is a problem that doesn’t effect you. Funding doesn’t even support early intervention with children properly in school anymore never mind working with parents, that’s why things escalate. Lots of people want special school but it’s not a choice you get, it’s very very difficult to fight for. My own child is in an asd specialist school and I had to go to tribunal to even get an ehcp as the la said he could manage in mainstream school with no support. He couldn’t manage and used to lash out a lot, no amount of parenting courses would have fixed this as we didn’t have the same issues at home he was in the wrong school environment for him and couldn’t manage. It was a 3 month wait when we went to tribunal a few years ago, now there are so many people going to tribunal to try and get the right support/ specialist placement for their child that the wait time for the send tribunal is a year

Valeriekat · 14/11/2022 08:36

ParsleySageRosemary · 17/07/2022 22:11

im sorry you got hassle, being pregnant this doesn’t apply to you specifically: but do you not get intervention or restraint training in mainstream at all?

Adults absolutely should be intervening if kids are fighting and even more so if one is violent on another. Women can restrain primary age kids without the need for male adults.

There needs to be extra staff around to help too, although I agree about the increase in poor behaviour.

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And your experience of this is?

Redkettle · 14/11/2022 08:39

BellaLab · 17/07/2022 00:38

I haven’t seen it nor would want to. I left teaching last August after bending down to welcome a 5 year old into P1 and they spat in my face. That was the icing on the cake for me and I walked out that day.

Far too many teachers are subjected to awful behaviour from pupils and expected to put up with it.

Oh my god!

Valeriekat · 14/11/2022 08:52

When the TES had its forums it was apparent that the SLT really didn't care about the classroom teachers at all.
The TES seem to have become cheerleaders for teacher training colleges and government education policies and you are not allowed to criticise either and you can't now so job done I guess. I wonder if anyone still subscribes.

SquirrelSoShiny · 14/11/2022 10:20

HerMajestysRoyalCoven · 12/11/2022 20:23

Have a look at any thread on here where a parent is posting about their child being violent at school. It’s full of posters telling them how to force the school to keep them in the classroom whilst alternative provision is looked into. Any suggestion that the needs of the other kids not to be attacked is met with outrage - this is disablist. Any suggestion that the parents should home educate their child is met with outrage - it’s not their job, they shouldn’t have to compromise their jobs, the school should be better at stopping the violence. Any suggestion that it traumatises other children who may themselves have disabilities is met with outrage - the other kids should have to learn to be more tolerant.

There are no easy answers but the outcome is that at present we don’t accept, as a society, the fundamental premise that nobody should have to endure an environment where they are physically attacked. And that is deeply wrong.

I see this a lot too. I agree with you.

The thing I dislike is the endless personal victimhood trend I see online. It's giving people a wholescale sense of entitlement that the world has to revolve around them / their child. Instead of the truth:we will make some adaptations as best we can, then you and your child need to get on with living as best you can.

We are not helping anyone by ramming 35 kids into a classroom including 10-15 who need additional support. We need more support units in schools and we need more special school places.

SquirrelSoShiny · 14/11/2022 10:21

FFS Idiot trolls 🙄