Teacher and student hit

[Sixpencefaux]

Has anybody seen the footage from a Leeds secondary school where a student attacks another student. When the teacher steps in, the student then repeatedly punched the teacher in the face. It really is shocking.

Your mum was excluded for trying to drown a teacher and the school had to take her back?!

When I was at school we had loads of male teachers. I'd say 1, perhaps 2, could have handled an out of control 15 year old boy.

I don't think my eyes could have rolled any harder at this comment...

No, she was expelled. She was just expelled from a few schools, of which that was one. Unsurprisingly, a fairly crap parent too, with a very colourful criminal record.

It shouldn't need to be a long process to refer a child to a PRU. And it doesn't have to involve a permanent exclusion. It does, however, cost a lot of money.

Sorry to hear that @Herja 💐

Not surprising in the slightest sadly, inclusion at any cost with little specialist support to make that happen. My son was attacked badly in primary school, knocked to the ground and head stomped on by an absolute thug after years of little incidents against teachers, TAs, other pupils and them regularly being evacuated from class. The boy clearly needs specialist support and is being failed by the system, as well as all the other pupils and teachers he comes across. School were not in the least bit interested in my sons well-being just in brushing it under the carpet until I had to kick up the most almighty fuss with heads of education, council, police and social work just to get basic protections in place for my son. No consequences to that child, just a wee talking to and back to class! Thankfully we’ve had it quiet the last few years now, but only because the boys attention has been diverted to other children not because the problem was solved. He’s a big lad now, I happened to see an incident in the playground recently where it was taking two full grown men, headmaster and janitor, to restrain him aged 11, so most people have no chance. The problem will continue and the larger he gets the more people will be in danger. I don’t know what the answer is, but cost savings under the pretence of inclusion certainly aren’t.

im sorry you got hassle, being pregnant this doesn’t apply to you specifically: but do you not get intervention or restraint training in mainstream at all?

Adults absolutely should be intervening if kids are fighting and even more so if one is violent on another. Women can restrain primary age kids without the need for male adults.

There needs to be extra staff around to help too, although I agree about the increase in poor behaviour.

I wouldn't want to be involved either, the dc are usually bigger than me.

Do some schools operate inclusion units which were quite a good idea

Sshhh, your not allowed to hold the parents to account. That reeks of privilege.

I mean having parents who remotely take responsibility for the behaviour of the offspring they breed is simply right wing and not progressive. Someone will come along and ask you if you voted Brexit, if you keep spouting views like these.

I'm a teacher and have been seriously assaulted at work more than once. In my experience teachers are very poorly supported. After the worst incident I was advised that if I wanted anything to be done about it I'd need to go to the police. I told my boss I was considering it and she told me not to then didn't speak to me for weeks, even ignoring me in tears one day telling her the incident was having an impact on my mental health.

Whoops … sorry

Inclusion in schools isn’t inclusion though, it’s doing things on the cheap dressed up as being inclusion. True inclusion would require significant investment. My child has Sen and unless you’ve been though it I don’t think people have any comprehension about how hard it is to get any level of support (I didn’t before Ds)

YANBU- it is actually terrifying sometimes at the moment. I was being stalked around school by a pupil who had a grudge against me and I knew to be carrying a knife. Luckily he’s been moved on but I still worry that he’s going to come back to find me.

We also have to do lockdown drills because a kid threatened to come in to shoot up the school and we know he has access to his dad’s firearms.

A child recently removed broken the leg of another child, the jaw of a second child and the fingers of a third child. We cannot expel him because he has significant SEN needs and parents are refusing a managed move.

Children with Sen can be permanently excluded, ive known children be excluded for far far less than what you’ve described

@ParsleySageRosemary

Sone of those kids are a foot taller than me and can swipe me aside as if I were made of air.

The sad truth is that there are is an increasing number of kids (especially boys) who are badly socialised (allowed to spend almost every waking hour at home online) or have complex emotional issues that have gone unaddressed during lockdown.

When we just shoved them all back into school this all boiled over in the form of increasingly violent fights and toxic online behaviour. What we really need to happen is that part of the money for catch up tutoring needs to be spent on group and individual counselling sessions for these kids and their families. There isn’t enough space in the PRUs and not enough staff in main school to deal with them.

Yes, but not immediately. He has had some fixed term exclusions but parents are fighting us every inch of the way to keep him here. The amount of evidence you need for a permanent exclusion for a kid with a full EHCP is huge. Parents are currently saying we haven’t adjusted enough for his needs.

I’m sure they are somewhere on the SEN boards getting all sorts of legal advice about how to make us keep him.

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I used to work in a grammar school. They still have fights just like other schools. We still had drug issues, we still had students bringing knives into school. It is not only an academic issue.

How bloody awful, @CanaryShoulderedThorn

Your DS sounds wonderful. I bet that teacher was very, very grateful he was there x

I work in a pupil referral unit (where permanently excluded students go).

We have excessive training on de -escalating violent situations, we can on occasions use "necessary force" to remove a student and we always break up fights that often lead to the staff being hurt

The violence I see on a weekly/sometimes daily basis is terrifying!

The problem is, these students have a right to education. And in a PRU type setting there are a lot of the same sort of students displaying the same sort of violent, impulsive and aggressive behaviour

DD lasted one and a half terms as a TA, after being punched and kicked by a 7 year old every day. No consequences for the child whatsoever. If one teacher said he lost playtime another teacher would just let him go rather than deal with the tantrum.

The classroom was frequently evacuated to protect the kids on the class. DD got told off for blocking his punch on one occasion as his immediately started looking for a new job.
This was a school in a nice area boasting a 'kind and caring' ethos. Regardless of age, no one should ever have to put up with attacked.

A 7 year old with no consequences will become a 17 year old who thinks he can do what he wants and then a 27 year old beating up his partner. Then we wonder why men as a class are violent.

Sadly my life as a UK teacher came to an end when I was dealing with many incidents such as these. (I haven't seen this particular footage ). On top of that all the teacher bashing in the press and social media really got to me people honestly have no idea what it's like to teaching in England right now.

I work in early years, we are seeing this more and more due to lack of family support and sen provision pre primary in our area...do day dream about working in tesco for more money and less bruises.

Also, as a single mum teacher with 3 young kids of my own, I can't afford to be seriously injured by fighting teens, so I won't get involved physically if I can avoid it. There is nobody to take over care of my own children if I am seriously hurt.

I am an excellent teacher and regularly go over and above. Its interesting that parents think we shouldn't be teachers if we are not prepared to put ourselves at physical risk.

I'm also in a PRU and while there is a level of aggression from some, actual violence is fairly uncommon.