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Don’t want to “make friends” with neighbour’s dog…

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randomdogfriend · 16/07/2022 18:58

NC for this. Sorry it's long!

Small backstory: Neighbour has a yappy dog that never stops, it comes right up to the fence in our back garden and barks incessantly whenever any of us go into the garden. It also barks at passers by on the street - it literally follows them along the fence yapping incessantly as they walk down the street. Neighbour does very little to address this - the occasion half hearted “stop that (name of dog)”, but it doesn’t listen to her and she doesn’t physically remove it. Last year I had a word with the neighbour about this through the fence - the barking was so bad it was upsetting my then newborn aged baby as we sat in the garden. She argued back with me and was generally unpleasant, so I threatened to report her if it didn’t stop. This was around 12 months ago and I’ve had no interactions with her since. The dog has done its usual nuisance barking at the fence when we’ve been out in the garden but I’ve largely tried to ignore it, and now that DD is a bit older she isn’t as startled or bothered by it. So we just largely ignore now.

Today I took DD (now 15 months) out in the garden to play. I sat on the grass relaxing whilst she played. Yappy dog approached the fence as per usual, but we were far enough away from the fence that I could mostly tune it out and just focus on playing with DD. DD didn’t seem remotely bothered by it either. I was then aware of neighbour approaching the fence and heard her say “oh are you saying hello (dogs name)?” Dog continued to incessantly yap. I ignored and continued to play with DD.

Next thing I heard “excuse me can I talk to you?“ through the fence. The fence is too high to see over it, and you can just about make out a person through the slats but I couldn’t really see her. I said “sorry, do you mean me?” (Not really able to see anyone at this point, just a shadow through the fence, and I was also sat a good few feet away from the fence. She said “yes”. I said “erm, yeah I suppose, I can’t see you but I can hear you”. She said “I’m sorry my dog barks and annoys you”. I replied “that’s ok” and then continued to engage with DD who was toddling around (so my attention was more focussed on her and I honestly didn’t want to have any interaction with anyone else at that point). I was hoping this would end the conversation. She continued: “if you made friends with her, she wouldn’t bark at you”. I just again decided to give a one word answer in the hope she would disengage from me as all I wanted to do was relax and play with DD. I replied again “right, ok”. She then continued… “if you made friends with her she wouldn’t bark and then you wouldn’t complain, would you”.

At this point I got irritated as she was pushing an unwanted conversation and also implying I had “complained” when I’d had one interaction with her about this a whole year ago where I’d threatened to complain but not followed that through, and also not mentioned the dog to her since.

I replied: “I just want to enjoy my garden with my DD. I don’t want to have to make friends with a dog through the fence. If your dog is barking constantly it’s because you aren’t training her properly, and that’s up to you to address. It’s not down to other people to make friends with your dog”.

It was more than I wanted to invest in the interaction but to be honest she had annoyed me by that point.

She then said, randomly, “how old is your daughter now?” I replied with her age. In between I was playing with DD and interacting with her, hoping neighbour would get the hint that I didn’t want to engage with her. She then said “what’s her name?” I replied with her name. Just one word answers to try to end it. She then said “ok. I just thought we could be friends that’s all”. Then she (presumably) walked off back to her house (like I say, limited visibility through the fence).

The whole interaction was just so random. Firstly I hadn’t commented on her dog, I was minding my own business and playing with DD. Also a whole year has passed since our last interaction so why approach me now? It would have made sense if I’d complained there and then about the dog, but I’d said nothing. I was just ignoring it as I usually do.

If it’s relevant this isn’t a next door neighbour as such. It’s hard to explain but we are a detached house and her back garden and mine back share a boundary fence. Our houses are nowhere near each other and are actually on separate streets. I am friends with my next door neighbour, by choice, who is lovely. I have no desire to be friends with this other neighbour or her dog.

Was I mean or unreasonable to not want to be friends with either her or her dog? When I'm in my garden I just want to relax and enjoy my garden and my daughter. Is this reasonable? Also, should random people be expected to befriend dogs, or is the onus on the owners to stop the barking regardless?

Any thoughts welcomed.

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Shoxfordian · 17/07/2022 05:30

I don’t think you were rude op; the neighbour probably thinks you complained about the dog and clearly doesn’t know anything about dog training as if she did then maybe it wouldn’t yap all day

We’re not obliged to be friendly to people just because they want to be friends- this isn’t preschool.

boysarethebest · 17/07/2022 05:46

Fgs, you were rude. Would have made your life easier in the long term to spend a few min talking to her and making the right noises. If you'd done that then it might be easier in the future to raise issues about the annoying dog. And all this 'previous time with you daughter' nonsense, you're talking 10-15 mins at the most and she doesn't need do constant interaction while happily pottering in the garden anyway

Jovanka · 17/07/2022 06:11

She's nobody in my world

Crikey, OP, you have written more than 100 posts on a thread about this woman and her dog on a Saturday evening. That suggest you are a bit more emotionally invested than you think.

FizzyTango · 17/07/2022 06:31

The only thing I would say is that on one side we have a trellis fence and it’s rental. I usually get my dog to meet the new neighbors everytime we get them so that he doesn’t bark at them.
But having said that he doesn’t bark at the other side which is a full fence. Neither would I let him bark more than a single bark (I’m lucky hes naturally very quiet and if he barks I get him straight back inside). So it does sound like this dog is particularly unfriendly and I’m not sure meeting it will help…

ferneytorro · 17/07/2022 07:00

I agree with you op, lazy owner, can't be her fault for not training the dog, it's your fault for not being "friends" with it. That will be how she justifies the behaviour.

I have a relative whose dog jumps up constantly, I am told hat it can't be trained not to, advised to "hide" behind the sofa so it can't get to me and then it's suggested I give it a treat - what, for jumping up at me and scratching my legs - err no.

SpartacusNotEsther · 17/07/2022 07:01

YANBU.

I have lovely neighbours with a dog that I adore.

I also have neighbours with a yappy little asshole of a dog. It's not the dogs fault, again, the owner can't be bothered to train it. No way would I try to befriend it. I have better things to do with my time than to spend it trying to get to know a dog that, imo, can't be trusted, just in order for it to stfu.

Outoutoutshout · 17/07/2022 07:21

Wow. I'm very glad you aren't my neighbour.

WhoWants2Know · 17/07/2022 07:22

Most of my adult life has been lived in terraced houses with neighbours who have dogs. Inevitably a relationship starts with the dogs barking like mad because I'm a stranger near their territory.

When an opportunity arises, I meet the dog and give it a fuss. Then it doesn't bark anymore.

If you don't want to make friends with the dog, that's fine. But your way does seem more stressful and less effective.

SpartacusNotEsther · 17/07/2022 07:26

WhoWants2Know · 17/07/2022 07:22

Most of my adult life has been lived in terraced houses with neighbours who have dogs. Inevitably a relationship starts with the dogs barking like mad because I'm a stranger near their territory.

When an opportunity arises, I meet the dog and give it a fuss. Then it doesn't bark anymore.

If you don't want to make friends with the dog, that's fine. But your way does seem more stressful and less effective.

I wonder what you would do with the dog next to me.

It yaps when you are on the vicinity, but as soon as you are up close it growls, backs up like it wants to pounce, then jumps forward doing that growl/bark thing. The owner is never anywhere to be seen.

Would you make a fuss of it?

olympicsrock · 17/07/2022 07:28

Have just read the thread. I think you were unkind and abrupt too.
It is kind and neighbourly to be willing to speak pleasantly to someone for a few minutes. That is what community is about. You come across as quite self centered and an unpleasant person with a massive chip on your shoulder. 100 posts arguing back - there is your evidence

Jalisco · 17/07/2022 07:31

I couldn't give a flying fuck how I'm "coming across" anonymously to strangers on an Internet forum.

Then why did you post at all? You have chosen to ask a group of strangers on the internet whether you were being reasonable. The vast majority say yes, so you attack them! The neighbour you clearly despise tried to be neighbourly, you were rude, ostensibly because you wanted only to spend time with your daughter who you don't see enough of - and then you spend hours on a lovely Saturday evening reading and posting hundreds of responses arguing with people who answered the question you asked.

JauntyJinty · 17/07/2022 07:33

SarahSissions · 17/07/2022 03:17

Poster “AIBU?”
mumsnet “yes”
poster “no I’m not”

why ask the question then?

poor woman, I bet it took an awful lot of courage to do that.

I hate yappy dogs for the record, but it sounds like you’ve got a young child and she’s trying to take action to get the dog to quieten down for you - she’s probably been given some misguided advice somewhere that if the dog knows or understands it’s friends on the other side of the fence it’ll be a little less defensive. She might just give up bothering now, I’m not sure I could be arsed to put in effort training out a behaviour for someone who had been so rude to me.

you reap what you sow Op

This isn't one of those times when everyone is saying YABU and OP is ignoring it.

Me and a quite a few others agree the OP shouldn't be at the beck and call of a previously rude woman who now expects OP to be responsible for her poorly trained dog.

The neighabours not "taking actions to get the dog to quiet down" she's expecting OP to do it for her.

NotAHouse · 17/07/2022 07:44

OP, don't waste your energy with the argumentative contingent in here. You're clearly NBU. I admire your measured response actually, I wouldn't have been so articulate!

JesusInTheCabbageVan · 17/07/2022 07:45

SpartacusNotEsther · 17/07/2022 07:26

I wonder what you would do with the dog next to me.

It yaps when you are on the vicinity, but as soon as you are up close it growls, backs up like it wants to pounce, then jumps forward doing that growl/bark thing. The owner is never anywhere to be seen.

Would you make a fuss of it?

Or the dog next to me, which taps throughout the day and becomes absolutely hysterical when any of us goes into the garden.

Btw this isn't a traumatised rescue. NDN has had it since it was a puppy. It used to be a sweet little thing and I would chat to it through the fence, and it would lick my hand. But it's spent the majority of its life shut outside in the garden, along with NDN's four other dogs. It's now an anxious, frightened and bored dog with serious behavioural issues. No amount of me 'making friends' with it will turn things around for that dog.

JesusInTheCabbageVan · 17/07/2022 07:46

*yaps, not taps. Tapping I could cope with Grin

tigger1001 · 17/07/2022 07:55

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 16/07/2022 22:50

Some dogs bark, especially little male ones. It's not simply a training issue.

Complaining that the dog was upsetting the baby makes as much sense as complaining that a baby was upsetting a dog!

I'm sorry, but that's the owners problem. And if they can't stop it barking they need to be aware that they can have it taken away from them.

Saying "some dogs bark" is just a lazy response. They don't get to annoy neighbours constantly just because the owner is too lazy to train it properly.

A constantly barking dog is really annoying and is anti social.

DorchaAndLouis · 17/07/2022 07:57

randomdogfriend · 16/07/2022 19:50

Genuine question to those who think I'm unreasonable: what would you have done or said differently? I repeatedly tried to end an unwelcome interaction, I didn't say anything rude or offensive. Just tried to disengage. So please do tell me what you might have done or said differently? Assuming you had no interest in being friends?

You were rude and childish.
You don't have to be friends with her but you could have suggested having a proper face to face conversation when it was convenient for you, rather than sulky one word answers through the fence.

DuckBilledPlattyJoobs · 17/07/2022 08:00

Why on earth did you reply ‘that’s ok’ when you obviously feel it isn’t? You could have had a sensible discussion.

stuntbubbles · 17/07/2022 08:08

MN is such a weird aggressively pro-dog fantasyland. How is it ruder to not engage in conversation (OP) than it is to inflict a horrible yappy dog on your surrounding neighbours, and put the onus on your neighbours to magically befriend the mutt through a fence (NDN)? Madness.

Bruegelsmom · 17/07/2022 08:10

Can all the people telling dog owners to train their dogs not to bark, please train their bloody cats to stop coming in my garden to shit and wind my dogs up?

tigger1001 · 17/07/2022 08:15

Bruegelsmom · 17/07/2022 08:10

Can all the people telling dog owners to train their dogs not to bark, please train their bloody cats to stop coming in my garden to shit and wind my dogs up?

I don't have a cat.

If your dog barks at cats, bring it in and then train it. Or do you expect wildlife to also not annoy your dog?

SpartacusNotEsther · 17/07/2022 08:16

Bruegelsmom · 17/07/2022 08:10

Can all the people telling dog owners to train their dogs not to bark, please train their bloody cats to stop coming in my garden to shit and wind my dogs up?

My cat is never near your garden or your dogs.

randomdogfriend · 17/07/2022 08:24

NotAHouse · 17/07/2022 07:44

OP, don't waste your energy with the argumentative contingent in here. You're clearly NBU. I admire your measured response actually, I wouldn't have been so articulate!

Haha, I'm not responding to any of the deliberate attempts to be offensive or goady anymore. I feel sorry for those posters actually, how sad.

OP posts:
honeybeesknees · 17/07/2022 08:24

stuntbubbles · 17/07/2022 08:08

MN is such a weird aggressively pro-dog fantasyland. How is it ruder to not engage in conversation (OP) than it is to inflict a horrible yappy dog on your surrounding neighbours, and put the onus on your neighbours to magically befriend the mutt through a fence (NDN)? Madness.

This is what I was thinking. If this had been about somebody playing music in their garden for a year the responses would have been very different. But a dog barking? No, you’re supposed to be patient with that, and do something about it yourself! And above all, as a woman, make sure to ‘be kind’ 😩

donquixotedelamancha · 17/07/2022 08:24

How is it ruder to not engage in conversation (OP) than it is to inflict a horrible yappy dog on your surrounding neighbours

I agree. The dog was just as rude as OP. Perhaps this is a reverse and OP is really the dog?