Another Kardashian ksurrogacy

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I guess aibu that all this celebrity surrogacy is problematic?

So khloe’s rep has just confirmed that she’s having another baby with Tristan v surrogate. Aside from the fact, it’s a pretty dumb decision to knowingly and purposefully bring another child into that incredibly toxic relationship where he has such little respect for her, they’ve used a surrogate.

it just feels like with celebrities these days, they want the child but not the ‘difficulties’ of pregnancy or the ‘damage’ it can do to the body. Especially with the kardashians, khloe’s reasoning for a surrogate is that she could be a ‘high risk pregnancy’ with no further clarification of what that means, not that she owes me an explanation but it’s coming across like ‘pay someone to do the grunt work for me’. I mean both my pregnancies were ‘high risk’ ones because I had growth scans, high risk/ low risk are just to designate the level of care you get.

its not just the Kardashian’s, priyanka chopra did it due to scheduling and there was another can’t recall who, but who basically said she didn’t want to take time out of her career right now for pregnancy, yet can have a baby?

Actually no, she didn’t come to terms with it at all. She went moaning to her mum about it who said ‘Don’t worry, we can sort that out for you’. The implication being that Kris would legally sort it so the surrogate mother didn’t have that right.
Khloe was pleased.

This has to be one of the worst comments I've ever read on this site.

@ArmyBoat as an adoptive mum I can categorically say my adopted child is very much as much my baby as my birth children are. Adopted children are our children xxx @KittyCatsby absolutely vile comment. I am ashamed for you

I've totally changed my mind on surrogacy the last year or so. At its worst it is the trafficking if children at its best (for friends) it puts all the risk on the woman carrying the baby. A surrogate in the USA died in child birth and left her own four children motherless. Another celeb from Asia decided she didn't want the baby and was shocked it couldn't be aborted at 8 months gestation. During Covid hundreds of babies were abandoned in Ukraine where they have surrogate hotels. Once the Covid restrictions were over the parents buying these babies didn't want them as they ordered a newborn not a 6 month old.
The other problem I have is that it reduces women to body parts. A womb to rent is not good for women.
Stop Surrogacy Now have opened my eyes.
stopsurrogacynowuk.org/

Regardless of reasons, it doesn’t prioritise the needs of the child.

I remember watching a clip of Khloe with her partner discussing surrogacy with a doctor. When the doctor told them the surrogate would have the right to terminate the pregnancy with an ‘unplanned outcome‘ such as twins etc, because it’s her body, Khloe was completely shocked. She said something like ‘but doesn’t she have do what we say and what we want’. She was gobsmacked that the ‘rent a womb’ would possibly have any say, gobsmacked that her money couldn’t actually buy a woman’s rights from her. Fucking disgusting. This is what happens in a family so used to buying whatever they want.

Babies are not commodities, women are not there to be used. It’s rarely a real choice.

www.filia.org.uk/latest-news/2020/10/18/the-shocking-reality-of-surrogacy
www.nytimes.com/2022/05/03/magazine/surrogates-ukraine.html
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/feb/25/surrogacy-sweden-ban
www.theguardian.com/global-development/2016/apr/01/outsourcing-pregnancy-india-surrogacy-clinics-julie-bindel

The Ukraine & India examples - the women "freely chose" to be surrogate mothers, but it's still awful. People "choose" to do all sorts of things for financial reasons, but it doesn't mean that we should sanction it or stop trying to give them better options and more protection.

Adoption prioritises the child, the child that is already here or conceived and needs a loving home. There is no comparison to surrogacy. 💐

I’m aware of what high risk is, it’s just an indication for the level of care and where you might deliver again (in the UK for delivery suite or MLU). You might be at an increased risk for pre e (sorry if I sound glib I don’t mean to be, pre e really sucks) but it’s not written in stone. My first pregnancy was low risk until baby measured small and then rocketed up to high risk, fetal med, OBs, genetics etc. I was aware from that my second would be automatically high risk too in order to keep an eye on baby. I was high risk until 38 weeks as the was a significant increased risk of it happening again and then got downgraded back to low risk.

by that i mean ‘high risk’ doesn’t mean death, and you shouldn’t have another pregnancy after all Kim k klearly went on for a second pregnancy. And given how the Kardashian’s farm out every detail of their life, if there was something dramatic about khloes pregnancy with true I think she’d have made it public knowledge. The only thing I recall her saying was in the first trimester she had low progesterone which was solved with suppositories. Happy to be corrected here though

kittycatsby whilst I don’t agree with surrogacy, are you about hard of thinking or something?

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I think it's really shitty to judge someone on how they have their baby. With all the madness going on in America banning abortion, most people want women to have control over their own bodies yet when it comes to surrogacy we feel it necessary to judge others.

Nobody knows the real reasons behind why a lot of people use a surrogate, either way a baby is born and then loved by their biological parents.

How other people have babies shouldn't even be a topic we talk about, it doesn't affect our lives or the child for that matter. Kim had two by surrogate after health complications and nobody would know. Her kids are loved the same and look happy and healthy as far as we know.

I personally would rather carry my child than use a surrogate, but I would never judge anyone for using one nor would I ever judge any woman for choosing what's best for her regarding any part of her body or life.

There was a case in New Zealand, I'm sorry I can't find the link now, where a woman had agreed to be a surrogate mother for her friend. The report at the time said the SM had been going through a traumatic time (reasons not stated) and thought being a SM for her friend would help her trauma or something. Odd reasoning and I think the friend was very unwise to accept the offer from someone going through a difficult time with potential for mental health problems.
Anyway once she was pregnant it seems her mental health deteriorated and she had an abortion at nine weeks. The commissioning parents were outraged they hadn't been informed and it was "their" baby.
NZ is currently reviewing surrogacy law and this case caused a (male) MP to pop up and say new laws must be enforceable to prevent this ever happening again.
So forcing a woman going through a mental breakdown to continue a (unwisely contracted) pregnancy.
What does that say about a woman's right to choose?

But in USA Khloe can reassure herself - contracts give all the rights to commissioning parents. Some contracts even state that if the SM were to be on life support for some reason during the pregnancy the commissioning parents would have the right to decide how long she stays on life support to keep the pregnancy going. After delivery of the baby then the SMs family can have the body back to make their own decisions.
Imagine signing a contract like that. Signing over your body. That is what is demanded of these surrogate mothers.

Oh and I saw a gay couple discussing their surrogate contracted pregnancy and saying how Kim had been so supportive, she had offered them her surrogate! How kind of her.

There seem to be two concerns about surrogacy. The impact on the surrogate mother and the impact on the baby.

Does anyone know of any research (good quality) about how surrogate children are affected? I guess if surrogacy hadn't existed, they wouldn't exist, how do they feel about that? If there is a serious negative impact then surely even altruistic surrogacy should be banned. If there isn't then possibly it can be very well regulated to manage the risks to the surrogate mother.

If the baby isn't given to the mother at the birth and goes straight to the "new" mother how does it recognise the smell of the mother? They can't smell anything in the womb as they don't breathe.

Here's an article about surrogacy contracts in the USA.

www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2017/11/20390/

There is a comparison to saying the child isn't yours if it wasn't your egg/fathers sperm.

Khloe went bitching to Kris about that and Kris said she would ‘sort that out for her’.
I E. she would get a contract sorted where the surrogate mother would no longer have that right.

Found the New Zealand case.

www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/health/kiwi-mums-heartbreak-after-surrogate-terminates-her-pregnancy-i-went-into-shock/

I’m not sure about the others but it was all over the news that the first Malawian boy she adopted, David’s mother wanted him back and there was a scandal around that

Sorry, I’ve just read the full thread and see you had already mentioned the conversation with the doctor I referred to. It’s stuck with me as I remember just thinking how on earth could anyone be so vile and entitled. It’s sickening.

I didn’t know she then went on to moan to her mother. So Kris will sort it for her by throwing yet more money at the issue no doubt, the poor woman being hired, up against the best lawyers money can buy. What a horrible, horrible family.

A birth parent changing their mind has nothing to do with and isn’t the responsibility of the childs actual parent/s.

Well that’s fucking abhorrent and I hope to god it didn’t happen!

I definitely think in a few years it will be something that’s looked back on as a what the heck were we thinking. In the same way the adoption of unmarried mothers’ babies in 50s was seen as acceptable at time as the baby was going to a ‘good home’ no thought for birth mother or trauma to adopted child. Now surrogacy is viewed by many as it’s fine, baby is going in many cases to bio mother or has no genetic link to woman who carried baby but there’s no thought for the woman who was pregnant or the created child. As the children reach adulthood floodgates will start to open.

I'm glad that here in the UK, the laws regarding surrogacy are tight. The ongoing chat about the D of S using a surrogate for her first was outrageous as it would have been impossible to conceal. People still believe the fake bump stories.

A birth parent changing their mind has nothing to do with and isn’t the responsibility of the childs actual parent/s

The actual parent is the birth mother that wanted him back.
It's really not unusual for children to be taken to orphanages untill their parents can afford them. It's a completely different set up to here, completely different reasons children are in orphanages. Some are there because they have aids and their parents can't afford health treatment.

What masons did is exploit a very poor country and very poor parents. She's a disgrace.