Another Kardashian ksurrogacy

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I guess aibu that all this celebrity surrogacy is problematic?

So khloe’s rep has just confirmed that she’s having another baby with Tristan v surrogate. Aside from the fact, it’s a pretty dumb decision to knowingly and purposefully bring another child into that incredibly toxic relationship where he has such little respect for her, they’ve used a surrogate.

it just feels like with celebrities these days, they want the child but not the ‘difficulties’ of pregnancy or the ‘damage’ it can do to the body. Especially with the kardashians, khloe’s reasoning for a surrogate is that she could be a ‘high risk pregnancy’ with no further clarification of what that means, not that she owes me an explanation but it’s coming across like ‘pay someone to do the grunt work for me’. I mean both my pregnancies were ‘high risk’ ones because I had growth scans, high risk/ low risk are just to designate the level of care you get.

its not just the Kardashian’s, priyanka chopra did it due to scheduling and there was another can’t recall who, but who basically said she didn’t want to take time out of her career right now for pregnancy, yet can have a baby?

Yes I don't really see how that post could have been posted without knowing it would upset a lot of people who have adopted/are adopted.

Madonna didn't buy her younger children. She legally adopted them. They had lost their birth mothers so no exploitation took place.

Yes I have. And the increasing dehumanising language. Surrogate mother is now just surrogate. Or even gestational carrier which is what those two men in California called the woman who bore them a baby girl they didn't want.

It is a disgusting process without any concerns for the host carry or the impact on the baby.

Money can buy anything.

It infuriates me that so many young people look up to this women.

This is why I was glad to see Rihanna flaunt her pregnancy and not hide it under floaty dresses.

This may even encourage celebrities to copy her and carry their own children.

I already saw the trend on social media of dressing up the bump and thanking Rihanna for opening the door.

Makes sense why Khloe was so upset on the show when it all came out about Tristian and the latest fling. What a dick.

They all have massive broods, I can’t imagine any of them would consider adoption. Surrogacy is controversial and women can be exploited but I highly doubt this will be the case with the K Klan, I think Kim’s might have appeared on the show before actually.

Madonna didn't buy her younger children. She legally adopted them. They had lost their birth mothers so no exploitation took place.
Exactly.
FFS that is in no way comparable to surrogacy.

@KittyCatsby

My son is adopted and my daughter is biological. They are both my children and I love them equally. Your post was offensive.

I'd imagine (in answer to the first question) like the vast majority of men with jobs who have children do.

Well this is me, I couldn’t have a baby any other way, and I agree. My dear friend actually offered to carry a baby for me and I thanked her and said no. My heartbreak isn’t justification for putting another woman at risk or removing a baby at birth.

The thing is with surrogacy is no one knows how a pregnancy will go. Anyone who has ever had a baby will tell you that even with the best care, even if you have had a dozen kids easily before, you can end up with life limiting birth injuries or a dead child.

People in the west treat pregnancy as if it is just another routine operation because we have managed to reduce the risks. But it is not risk free and, especially in America, can be very costly.

I know that the positive stories all talk about how well they looked after the surrogate during pregnancy. But do people also pay for the ongoing after care of a birth gone wrong- incontinence, infections, mastitis, tearing, fistulas, infertility, hysterectomy etc. Because anyone with those ongoing issues in the US will be uninsurable and in some cases unable to work.

Every pregnancy has a bone zero chance of death for mother and child. Yet some people treat it like ordering a new Tesla. It is wrong. Just like paying people for their organs is wrong and illegal.

Here's an idea Kim. You've already given birth twice. Why not stop there instead of renting a woman to carry children 3 and 4?

Really? Then whose baby is that in our livingroom? Or do you think she is no ones baby and a random orphan?

@Pottedpalm

I am unable to have another child despite five years of fertility treatment and heart break. I still believe that it is wrong to pay another woman to take on that risk and responsibility for me. Perhaps because I nearly died giving birth to my first and my infertility is caused by an infection I got due to my c-section. I wouldn’t ask another woman to take that on so that I could selfishly have everything I want- like a toddler.

We don’t get everything we want in life. That is hard to accept but it is true. Money shouldn’t be able to buy you a life. It is morally wrong. What about all those poor mothers who can’t afford a surrogate? They have to just accept being childless. Why should billionaires be any different?

I have carried my two children to term, only by the quirk of fate that somehow I was physically able to conceive and give birth. That’s it. It’s not a skill, it’s luck.

People who post the hateful kind of stuff you did, have never really had anything else to distinguish themselves with in life, so they enjoy being able to poke at others who perhaps struggled to naturally conceive and sought other options.

Why would you want to make wonderful mothers, those who care deeply for children, feel inferior?

why?

Surrogacy has always been legal in the UK, but altruistic not commercial. The most established support organisations are COTS founded in 1988 and Surrogacy UK, founded in 2022. Over the years, over 1300 children have been born as part of an arrangement supported by one of these two groups.

Many of these children are, or will soon be, adults. They will speak for themselves and tell the world how they feel about it.

Disgusting on so many levels - but when does a Kardashian not get their own way.
the last storyline of kourtney crying over not being able to conceive another child- 3 bloody kids you don’t have reproductive issues, you’re just over 40 ffs! Bet she’s next to rent a womb

She adopted her children.

I’m against surrogacy for ethical reasons but your post baffles me slightly. This baby is likely Khloe’s egg and will be given to her as soon as she’s born. I don’t personally agree with how public their children are, or how spoilt, but it’s plain to see those children are well loved and well taken care of. So this baby will be handed to a genetically linked woman with extensive resources who is going to shower it with love.

So although I think surrogacy should be heavily regulated, I think it’s a bit disingenuous to suggest the babies should always be kept, and can only be happy, with the woman who carried it.

Biology matters.

Adopted/ surrogate DC's may be legally the new parents' but if they need a kidney/ blood/bone marrow a legal document won't create a blood match.

Surrogacy is becoming globally normalised. Given the low birth rate crisis most western countries will probably be encouraging more surrogacy not less in future decades.

I've known a UK friend/family surrogate. She was happy enough (considered the DC's 'her' DC's ) but this is a world away from American paying to exploit women in 3 rd world baby factories.

Read Julie Bindel's account of visiting these places. It's harrowing.

Forced c sections due to not wanting DC to touch 'carrier's' vagina (!!!) Etc

She's a liar just like the rest of the clan. As for surrogacy, I'm not a fan but it isn't always 'poor' women being exploited, often more middle class women who already have children and want to help others have them. It isn't something I could do, my pregnancies are great till the last trimester where the shit hits the fan. I wouldn't go through it for someone else for any amount of money but some women would.

I recently saw an article in the metro about a (non celebrity) single dad who had had twins by surrogate. He talked about his long-head desire to be a dad and he went abroad to have the surrogate babies. When they were born, he, the nanny and the twins stayed somewhere together for a few months and it was all amazing (no mention of the surrogate mum) He talked about how he got what he had always dreamed of, he didn't say anything at all about the woman who enabled it. All the comments were how amazing he was! 🙄

@ShirleyPhallus

but on the other hand… if women are getting paid so well (and I imagine with the K klan they would be), and it’s their body and their choice then who are we to step in and declare it should be stopped?

Because there's a child at the end of the process who has been bought and taken away from its mother.

Leaving aside the KK issue for a moment…

I (mostly) disagree with surrogacy but to play devil’s advocate… for women in very poor countries, what do people think is a good alternative for them to make the same money that they could get from being a surrogate to a western couple?

i think it’s really easy to sit in our (for the most part) comfortable houses with relative riches and judge how immoral it is but if you were that poor and given an opportunity like that you might very well take it

Madonna adopted children from an orphanage. They’ve had a much better life than if they were left there and not aware of any allegations she maltreated them. I don’t think adoption is exploitation of the poor.