Keir? Next PM?

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I don't think he is. Comes across as whiny and self-righteous. Next election I suspect the Tories are toast.

So - if not Dishi Rishi or Sir Keir - then whom?!

But proves what an insurmountable task Labour have in getting their message across

But they are getting their message across by having numerous MP supporting the strikes this Summer. Or was that not the message I, as a member of the public who uses the trains, was supposed to get? What do you mean by “insurmountable task to get message across”. Their message was loud and and clear.

And that will win him an election?

Policies to deal with the impending economic bloodbath and the Tory party tearing itself asunder are what will win the next election.

Or is in line with the mood on this topic?

Caring about this topic is a minority sport in the general population and this will only increase as people can’t pay their rent, heat their houses, put petrol in their cars or feed their kids.

He is wilfully politically inept

Is he? And your evidence for this is?

He is wilfully politically inept

Presumably this refers to Boris Johnson who has spent the last 8 months lurching from one self inflicted crisis to the next?

@sst1234 so why is he 'wilfully politically inept'. Sounds like a regurgitated silly
sound bite.

I am not sure Murdoch has any interest in democracy. Nor the Barclay Brothers. Nor Lebedev.

Everyone knows the press we have here is problematic, they do not serve interests of the British public, they serve the interests of their owners.

But it can get fraught. Were people manipulated into voting for Brexit? Of course. Brexit serves the interests of both the very wealthy and e.g. Russia. Does that mean that we can discount the Brexit result? Clearly not.

But the UK media picture is a problem for anyone who loves Britain, IMO. I'm sick of the unpatriotic Tories trying to destroy all our services and institutions just to make it easier for them and their mates to get rich at our expense.

So a few MPs supporting a certain action, becomes official Labour party policy?

Thats as ridiculous as me saying that because many tory MPs are involved in sexual abuse scandals, the tory party policy is to support sexual abusers.... though given Boris is still in charge, perhaps it is.

The rail strike is lawful, so why shouldn't MPs be free to support strike action?

However, what i was talking about is Labours actual policies, on tax, energy, cost of living, education, defence, health... all have been spoken about at length by Labour, yet the 'press are not reporting.

The rail strike is lawful, so why shouldn't MPs be free to support strike action?

Of course they are free to support the strikes and it sends a powerful message.

There have been MPs on both sides involved in all sorts of unpleasantness. No one has supported them officially or on picket lines.

.. yes and against Labours official policy, which was not to go on the picket lines.

I think the official policy of the TOry Govt NOT to assist negotiations, in fact try to scupper them, sends an even bigger message, esp at the same time they are seeking to remove caps on financial bonuses.

However, MPs represent us all, including the low paid, should the RMT get a reasonable but still around half the inflation rate pay rise, that will help millions of workers & boost spending within the economy.

Might even help you longer term, less homeless to step over when you go up 'west.

Actually I think they are-nothings been done yet because the law isn’t clear. This is why judges haven’t done anything because they need parliament to make the law before they can apply it. Thank god the appalling Maria Miller isn’t anywhere near it now anyway, she kicked it all off.
As I understand it, legislation is under way to clarify the equality act. I was deeply unimpressed with the wording of the Ministerial Maternity allowances bill before Lord Winston got hold of it-but you never know how many of these things are drafted by civil servants, many of whom are still in the grip of Stonewall.

What he did say was, when asked whether it's transphobic to say only women have a cervix, "It is something that shouldn’t be said. It’s not right.”

Might even help you longer term, less homeless to step over when you go up 'west.

Sorry, go where?

The rail strike is lawful, so why shouldn't MPs be free to support strike action?

Indeed they are free to support it. But then they can't whine about it when it comes to the election and they don't get enough votes!

As for stepping over homeless, again, not sure what you mean.

I work, I pay my tax and NI contribution, as household we donate to Shelter and I donate to my local food bank. If this is "stepping over homeless" then maybe more people ought to do it this way.

less homeless to step over
Labour supported austerity measures and UC, so its just hyperbole and has nothing to do with policies or voting records.

What he did say was, when asked whether it's transphobic to say only women have a cervix, "It is something that shouldn’t be said. It’s not right.”

To be fair, though, unlike Lammy, he didn't claim its not right because men could just grow a cervix and become a woman that way.

Still not the type of person I'd want in charge as a woman!

Do you have any evidence for that batshittery?

Labour did not support austerity or UC did they?

Its a reference to George Young, who complained to Thatcher that he was fed up stepping over the homeless on his way home from Covent Garden, the Govt then decided to try and do something about it.

Its all very well having a market economy with its subsequent low wages and "small state" but it comes with its own set of problems.

People inc RMT workers, have had little or no pay rises dues to Austerity for a decade plus and NO labour never supported it or UC, FFS even IDS (the author of UC) resigned because he didn't support the cuts in its funding, his plan called for billions more in support for UC.

48 Labour MPs defied the whip and voted against the Welfare Reform Act, so Labour did indeed vote for UC.... they also voted for Austerity during the coalition Govt, as it was needed at the time but not for 12 years, that was a political choice.

One reason Corbyn became leader.

However, Starmer has pledged to totally reform UC and rename it.

I don't think Johnson was ever any more than a useful idiot to anyone with half a brain. In order to:

A) To get Brexit over the line (even if based on a lie, as they're already going back on the deal)

B) Stop Corbyn becoming PM.

The Tories knew what he was like but knew the dim witted sections of the public are easily duped by a bit of slimeball charm, just as they were for decades by Jimmy Savile.

The Guardian isn't left wing, it's liberal. It backed the Lib Dems in 2010 (who then went into coalition with the Tories) and were never accepting Corbyn as Labour leader (an actual left winger).

The Mirror is the only Labour supporting newspaper.

The Morning Star is the only left wing paper and the left wing equivalent of the Sun and what has become of the Daily Mail.

Frankly it really doesn't matter, as long as we can get rid of the shower of shit that believes this sort of thing is acceptable. The word we are looking for here is 'evil'.

Latest poll shows Labour 15 points ahead.

I don't think current polling is too relevant given Boris being booted out in disgrace and a new leadership election being played out, while all the candidates have to come up with policies to appeal to the god-awful, reactionary Tory members.

A month or two after the new leader is in place, polling will start to be important. If they get a new leader bounce they might call an election because things will only get worse economically.