Britain is not ready for BAME PM

[notnever]

Rishi might just be voted by MPs but will not win general elections. Already we are reminded he is rich, has an US Greencard, cut taxes, unrelatable, wife is rich and did not pay tax, did not declare tax, etc, as if any different from Boris.

Do you think Britain is ready for BAME PM?
Yes = you are unreasonable
No = you are not being unreasonable

NB, you don't have to explain whether it makes Britain racist or not. I am personally happy he is standing for leadership, it will be his good reminder (as many of us BAME know) racism trumps social class.

His family are not paying tax? That would be a stunning revelation if true.

Completely unrelated to colour, I’d also like to know if Rishi is actively religious and if so, how much does his religion influence his beliefs and actions? Does he believe in the caste system for example? It would not be good for the U.K. going through a recession/financial crisis to have a billionaire PM who’s beliefs teach him that he ‘deserves’ to be rich because he did something good in a past life and the food bank customers are there because they did something bad in a past life i.e it’s their fault they are poor. Can you imagine how this would impact policy making around tax cuts for the rich, raising taxes against poor, slashing the state?

I would say the same about Rees-Mogg and how Catholicism impacts his behaviour. Look at the Supreme Court judges in America to see how religion can have a impact.

I'd never been vote for Rishi. It has nothing to do with skin colour though.If he was Obama or someone with similar values though I would in a heartbeat!

Absolutely this. Couldn't give a shit whether the candidate was BAME - just don't want another 4 years of narrow minded 'little Britain' politics and fat cat ministers making the richest people richer whilst screwing over the rest of us...

Probably not. Britain is racist, and anyone who says otherwise is deluded.

I dunno, I really didn't think the US was ready for Obama either, so that came as a big surprise. And then the Biden/Harris lineup with Biden being so old even raised the prospect of a female BAME president.

Being white definitely makes it easier to get elected, I'll agree.

I agree with you re Hunt.

I actually got bored by the time I got to the last two and I accept it doesn't look good as they are women so I'll try again:

Braverman: Has argued against the judiciary checks and balances we have in place to stop people like Boris doing whatever they like. Gave questionable advice regarding breaching the northern Ireland protocol.

Patel: I'd argue that my reference to Rwanda is enough but anyway. Held secret undeclared meetings with Israeli government officials who were seeking to influence the British government policy.

And the only reason I listed the BAME candidates was because this whole post is about how the UK won't elect one because of their ethnicity whilst I'm trying to point out their other flaws. But for balance:

Truss: A foreign secretary whose lack of geography knowledge sparked a diplomatic incident with the Russians. Has argued for fewer employment laws.

Hunt: His actions as health secretary meant that the NHS did not have adequate PPE stocks when Covid hit. Junior doctors actually went on strike during his tenure.

Tugendhat: Lack of experience overall. Has supported Israeli settlers on Jewish land. Generally little controversy overall as far as I can find.

Mordant: Won't be loved on here due to her support of trans rights.

Realised I missed Badenoch but I'm running out of time now as the kids are pestering me: Seems a bit obsessed with culture wars and little else.

Doesn't Rishi want to raise taxes or at least keep them where they are for social care?

We have a huge ageing population issue, we all need to pay more tax unfortunately.

You’re conflating the issue. I think Britain could be ready for a BAME figurehead, if they were like Obama. Rishi’s problem isn’t his skin colour, it’s that we cannot be sure he is trustworthy when it comes to the interests of the Everyperson. Though he has made some good decisions as chancellor that benefit real people. I still think the green card, the massive fortune, will alienate him.

The proximity gap - would be the thing that worries me most.

By all accounts Rishi has grown up in an upper middle class environment and by his own admission has never had any 'working class' friends.

If this is true - and I believe it is - he stands a good chance of creating policies that do not help people on incomes lower than his - simply because he has no experience of this - and lacks the imagination - or empathy to factor it it.

Since one of the main issues in this country is income inequality - and also the housing crisis (i.e lack of affordable homes) - having him as P.M. I believe will be an absolute shambles. But then I would say the same for anyone of the Eton boys (replace Eton with other private school names).

And so that is my bias - declared here. But it is not a racial one. Not by any means. I see him being P.m. as a repeat performance of Boris. Which in the long run will be good for the opposition as it will mean the annihilation of the Tory party. In the short term though it will mean a great deal of suffering for those already struggling and attending food banks etc.

The fact that the government is advising people to go to food banks is beyond appalling that it has come to this.

It’s one of the last racist countries on Earth, as high-quality research generally shows.

Only the BAME and women jump out at me as reasonable candidates. I'm white British

I just want someone to vote for who has integrity, decency and preferably with working class roots who understands that genuinely - that's it. I don't care what race or ethnicity they are, just the best person for the job please, end of.

I’m one of the deluded ones who thinks Britain isn’t that racist. No more than any other country anyway. 18 months ago I was such a Rishi fan and could totally see him as next PM, as could all of my white, mainly labour family and friends. Now however none of us want him. His lack of compassion these last months has been astounding and I am genuinely scared (even more than with BJ) for our poorer members of society if he gets PM.

I actually don’t know who I’d want out of any of them Tory lot.

Zarah Sultana however I can totally see her as PM in the next 10 years.

None of them understand the impact that price rises are having on us. Why do we hold Sunak to higher expectations?

Because he was Chancellor of the Exchequer! It was literally his job to understand such things. So I don't apologise for holding him to a higher standard. Johnson is a low bar anyway.

If it must be a Johnson acolyte I would choose Javid. Somebody from outside the cabinet would be far better.

Why is everyone still using BAME, I thought that got retired? Voters are pretty clear about what they want these days. I can’t see them voting for a white person because they’re white if it goes against their self interest. Tbh characterising brexiteers as knuckle-dragging racists is a short sighted outlook that hasn’t done the left any good so far.

There were plenty of other reasons why people voted leave. I voted remain but come on, can we stop pretending that everyone who voted leave was doing it because they're racist?

Its not about everyone being racist though, just some. A lot of posters getting offended, claiming the op means the entire Tory voter based is racist- it’s not.

But that doesn’t mean some are racist, and the question is: are there enough of them to cause enough of a swing in any given vote.

Take my neighbour for instance. White male, mid 50s, covered in tats and passionate Chelsea supporter. We get on well on a superficial level. But when I asked him if the rented house next door to him had been filled yet, his response was he didn’t mind who moved in “as long as they’re not a Muslim or a darky”

My “d”f, 82 is openly racist and uses the n word regularly.

This is Britain 2022. You might not accept it but racism is actually more widespread than you think, if you scratch beneath the surface it’s there. I don’t think this is a racist country on the whole, but I think there are enough people that will not vote for a bame pm, for it to make a difference.

The hope & desire for the left mentioned above seems odd to me, to have right leaning racists abandon the Conservative party. It would mean Sir Keir would then have them under his umbrella - Labour would have the anti-semites and the racists all under one tent.

I am black wouldn't vote for Sunak or any of the conservatives tbh. I know Kemi personally too and wouldn't vote for her despite this.

One just has to read the comments in the daily fail to understand what OP is getting at though. I am well aware that these comments do not reflect the thoughts of everybody. There r however many about some of the main candidates not being part of the 'lineage' and true 'culture' of Britain. So yes I am not sure this country is ready for a non white PM.

i appreciate your point here but I know of absolutely no one in my friends or family who would speak like that anymore. 30 years ago my now 90 year old grandparents said some slurs but they no longer do and accept it is (and was) unacceptable. Should add I am in a northern mill town also where I know there has been a lot of tension but I no longer see it in my area or the town or the more deprived, very mixed background I work in.

I wouldn't vote for him but that's becauseof his party, that my local mp is up Boris' backside so much she's practically emerging from his mouth (not nadine) and that as a 24/7 carer from a neglected Northern town they've done nothing but make my life and that of the person I care for even more difficult exponentially and, occasionally, revelled in doing so. I would never ever vote Tory whatever their candidate was like.

I don't care what sex, religion, sexuality or race a pm was/is. I just want a fundamentally decent human being who cares about the job, the country and the people above their groin, ego and the money it gives. It shouldn't be that hard.

Saj would be great. Sunak would be awful.

Bit of an assumption that these PPs voted for Boris there though.
I wouldn't vote for Rishi for the same reasons i didn't vote for Boris, or for the Tories in general.
Javid or Zahawi would be more palatable in terms of their backgrounds and relative integrity.
Chances are though, Rishi will have the most backing from his party members, because he is super rich and super privileged in comparison, and the bottom line is that's what the Tories hold dear.

Amen to this!

The fuck is this thread? Are you the same person who keeps posting derogatory threads pitting ''BAME'', since you insist on using it, against non-''BAME''? Get a life

Funnily enough many brown and black people support Brexit