Energy to go up 64% in October

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And 4% in January.

Fuck sake!
I dont even have an AIBU, this is just fucking ridiculous.

What does boiler stat mean and how do you adjust it?

The thermostat on the boiler itself. There is one for central heating and one for water. Your boiler manual will tell you how to adjust it. If you dont have a manual you can probably google the model and find it online.

This has a bit of history about the water industry:
www.ofwat.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/rpt_com_devwatindust270106.pdf

This is a detailed look at Labour's 2019 proposal to buy the water industry at less than market value and the potential implications of that (I do not know what Labour's current proposal is - this is as per Corbyn. The summary is that buying at less than market value would be a terrible idea and lead to a lot of legal issues and impact a lot of UK pensions):
www.cliffordchance.com/briefings/2019/07/uk_nationalisationthelawandthecost-201.html

This response from the water industry (note this downloads a pdf):
www.water.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Response-to-Labour-Democratic-Ownership-consultation.docx

Basically, I don't trust the government (any government) to prioritise sufficient investment in water infrastructure. It's much less interesting to the public than the NHS or schools since they don't fund those sufficiently I don't see why I should trust them to fund pipes hidden underground. Easier to forget about them and leave them to some future government to deal with. I also don't trust them not to politicise the industry.

I hope this is interesting for you. I am afraid I don't know anything about power/rail etc.

Mostly moans with few solutions here. What I would like to hear from people is what solution to the energy crisis do you propose (no hindsight please), how much your solution would cost the taxpayer and how the funds would be raised or where they would be taken away from something else. Please, let's be more constructive.
My own view is that this is a global markets issue so we have to grin and bear it and make wise choices with fixed price contracts when available. I know quite a number are proposing renationalisation of the energy industry but I am not convinced, not least because of the cost of buying up all the share capital of these companies at least at market value. I am also old enough to remember the lousy service, waiting lists and lack of choice (fixed rate contracts were not even offered) pre-privatisation.

Bet everyone who had a go at Insulate Britain protesters are kicking themselves now, eh?

Not sure what I think about nationalizing but I bet the current bear market would be a great time to do it very cheaply.

A decent electric shower is rated at around 11 KwH if on max heat, and the current capped electricity rate is around 30p per KwH. So if you ran the shower for an hour it’d cost you £3.30ish and as I’d guess that most people shower for, what, 10 minutes max then an electric shower won’t be costing much more that 50p at the very worst.

In this weather it’s unlikely to be on on max heat, so the 11 KwH is more likely to be 7, and if the shower lasts 6 minutes not 10 then it’d cost around 21p. So, not insignificant if there’s 5 or 6 of you in the house, and of course come the next increase it’ll go up. But for most there’s no need to catastrophise quite yet.

In this weather it’s unlikely to be on on max heat, so the 11 KwH is more likely to be 7

It might be on the max heat.

On ours you turn the temperature dial, but what happens is that you get more water in the summer than the winter, because it has a certain heating capacity and it mixes in cold to set the temperature (I think).

I'm not explaining it very well, but IME it seems to be the case that it's using a set amount of energy and you get more water when it's heating water that was less cold to start with.

But even in summer, the flow rate is nowhere near what you get from a tap shower that is fed from mains pressure hot water that's been through the combi boiler.

Er, no. Those cunts didn't do any good, did they?

Not true, even on a true North-facing roof you only lose 30% of output. Most houses have two sides to their roof, one of which will be at worst ESE or WSW facing.

Not really, insulation won't reduce what it costs me to heat water, nor will it reduce my electricity usage.

I have an east/ west solar array split. Right now, it's producing 1800w, it's covering the house usage and filling up the battery, not bad for 7.30. Because it still has sun on the other side of the house later in the day, being west facing, it is still generating energy well past dinner time. I mean, if you had a south facing roof, you wouldn't waste panels by putting them on the north facing side but an east/west split works well for us.

Re water nationalisation dwr cymru have huge issues water leakage is great. No-one bothers to fix it unless there's a danger to property. Then everything is outsourced to private companies. We've had awful problems for two years our cul de sac road looks like a patchwork quilt never the same team of wiorkers two days running and they're from England. They're so lackadaisical if nice lads. We got to know them quite well. Event the leakage was found by an old boy who was experienced. Two years to find one leak.

Don't expect nationalisation to be a cure all is my observation

My solution is to start fracking and build more nuclear power plants so we are self reliant for energy (I realise we have to get the uranium from abroad).

Problem is you get posters saying on this thread that they can't cope with energy price rises, then going to another thread saying we need to reduce this and that to help the environment, they simultaneously support opposing views without even read it.

I loathe the way we celebrate well off people in this country who don't share their good fortune.

They are held up as something for us to aspire to. While many of us 'aspire' to put food on the table and heat our homes

So much inequality which goes unchallenged.

@minimalme I think we celebrate their talent - their wealth is a by-product, actors, authors, businesspeople like Branson etc.

Or city bankers would be celebrated.

Congratulations to everyone who campaigned to shut down nuclear and fracking

This is us!!!!!
I do my shop online
I click and collect so I don't pay delivery charges but I keep an eye on the total and once we've got to the weekly budget we stop
We both work and have 2 kids and we recently got the 30 hours funding for our youngest which I thought would make a huge difference but to be honest that money will all be swallowed up on gas/electric/water/ council tax bills and food being more expensive so we are actually no better off - which is depressing

I realise people without the 30hours if they are paying for younger children or wraparound money for older ones will be feeling it even more but I was really looking forward to hopefully being in a better place financially
It just seems that life will be a long hard slog

Anyone who is against nuclear plant - to pay triple or more.
It's very easy to moan about (for example - Greta T) - when you don't have a f* clue how much it costs to pay your own bills.
Yes, war, other shit. But that's NOT OK when couple, doing full times and more than minimum salary CANT afford heating.

Nuclear is not the answer. Nothing to do with money though have a look at the sheer cost involved with nuclear power stations!

It's not worth it. Even without the problem of environmental, health impact and the bloody big problem of nuclear waste, it wouldn't help *right now^ to develop more.

Q. How much will it cost to decommission a nuclear power station at the end of its life?

A. Nobody knows, because it's never been done.

Current costs for decommissioning existing nuclear sites in the UK are £3 billion a year. Total costs are anticipated to be between £99 billion and £232 billion. www.gov.uk/government/publications/nuclear-provision-explaining-the-cost-of-cleaning-up-britains-nuclear-legacy/nuclear-provision-explaining-the-cost-of-cleaning-up-britains-nuclear-legacy

Building more nuclear power stations would be a ridiculously short-sighted approach.

People can't "grin and bear it" when their rent and bills exceeds their take home pay.

Please, let's be more constructive

wages have been cut in real terms by 25% for the workers over the last 10 years

the top 250 companies in the ft index have increased their profit by 75% so it’s certainly not a profit crisis’ and at the top increases are at levels of 49% +

pay wages that don’t require working benefits from the government so that CEO salaries aren’t being paid for by our taxes through working benefits.

then workers can pay for electric and gas

the tax saved can give state pension a raise

Every new home should be built with solar power, ground source heating, rainwater tank for toilets, washing machines & baths, triple glazing. Insulation is already on the requirements.

homes need to be made to be almost off grid

I know a big builder who agrees with you but the costs are in rhe tens of thousands which mortgage companies won't agree to. Architect DS has done this but only for the wealthy and that was mostly in Bermuda.