Energy to go up 64% in October

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And 4% in January.

Fuck sake!
I dont even have an AIBU, this is just fucking ridiculous.

This is honestly destroying me. Husband and I work full time, good jobs, but just can't work out how we are all going to manage. We're with an energy supplier that only uses renewable energy sources, yet that costs the same as non-renewable - how does that make sense?!

For those that have said, understandably, it’s a first world problem, it isn’t. Look at what’s happened in Sri Lanka. If bills go up to the prospected level people will be thrown into poverty, businesses will raise prices more so to cover costs, food will continue to rise. And wages won’t rise at the same pace. It’s going to be a horrible winter - going to need to help
each other as much as possibly can.
and pray our change of government help
us.

Renewables are only cheap based on production, but not on distribution or the energy backup needed in terms of gas.

When the wind doesn’t blow and the sun shine, as is common here, they need baseload and balancing power to kick in. Gas turbines can spool up in seconds and plug this gap and keep the grid online.

Because of this, we have to pay to keep such plants around, even when it is sunny and windy, otherwise they would go out of business and leave us to the whims of British weather.

France has high prices also, despite nuclear accounting for 80% of their output, because they, too, have to factor in the marginal gas capacity needed to balance loads.

what are they going to do, imprison everyone who uses it for simply tryin to keep warm and cook food? ffs

No, just stop you being able to buy it.

im with Eon next and my fixed runs out the middle of August

DD is £120 now and in August move to the V15 i took out last week,i will pay £210 a month

Estimated Annual Usage 3495.2 kWh ELECTRIC

Estimated Annual Usage 7652 kWh
GAS

3 bed detached mostly 3 adults

what deal did they offer you

@MibsXX

"From May 1 house coal was banned I recall reading, so that's bad timing for many

what are they going to do, imprison everyone who uses it for simply tryin to keep warm and cook food? ffs"

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No they will just stop you being able to buy it. So in theory there is nothing to stop you digging it up yourself and using it but I wouldn't recommend DIY coal mining.

A really good post and your point about the cost of covering bankrupted suppliers is often forgotten about.

In relation to what will make the wholesale price of natural gas go down then answer is fairly simple- "the war in Ukraine needs to come to an end".

However the politics and practicalities of achieving that is a lot more tricky.

Gas prices were already putting companies out of business long before Ukraine entered the news cycle. This is a general lack of available resource, which won’t change all that easily. We’re competing with Asia for LNG exports too.

this explains
i have 2 pallets in my garage and will be using

www.gov.uk/guidance/selling-coal-for-domestic-use-in-england#:~:text=All%20sales%20of%20traditional%20house,England%20from%201%20May%202023.

This is the most viewed on BBC

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62123691

And it's not even showing the predicted price rise

Try this for an explanation

amp.theguardian.com/business/2022/apr/26/ukraine-war-food-energy-prices-world-bank

Which adds on top of this. But if you remember, energy prices were spiking in November in Europe and caused my electricity supplier, Bulb, to go into administration. The FAO food index was also rising all of last year to rates not seen since 2011.

Russia invading Ukraine basically adds fuel to a fire that was already burning through our economies.

Why do I feel like the country is fundamentally broken and is rapidly grinding to a halt.

Household are being hit by rising prices for goods and food, rising fuel and energy costs and stagnated wages. This means households can no longer afford to spend money on the high street, in restaurants, takeaways, entertainment, luxury goods. Travel is being reduced to essential journeys only.

This means less money is circulating into the economy. Businesses are facing higher fuel and entertainment costs as well, which means higher overheads for them, wholesale prices also rising which they are having to pass onto the consumer. But the consumer can’t afford it anymore so they also have sales dropping through the floor. They will lay off staff or go bust.

The whole thing is fucked. I have no idea how we get out of this. Is there a way out of this?

Business facing higher fuel and ENERGY costs - not entertainment costs!

We are all just fighting for survival at this point.

I just cant get my head around the fact that the government's sole focus over the last two years has been "protect the vulnerable and the elderly". Yet when a crisis occurs that will not only severely affect the vulnerable and the elderly, as well as LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN THE COUNTRY, they seemingly don't give a shit!

Basically this government will keep people alive and safe from Covid, yet will happily let these same people that they've been trying to protect freeze to death. Because that's what will happen. If people cannot pay for heating, they could end up with hypothermia.

We both work full time, self employed earning ok money, but I'm genuinely worried about the rising costs. My house was awful at efficiency, so I've spent all our savings on a new boiler and new windows (all of which were at least 40 years old) to try and keep our home warm this winter. I genuinely don't know how others are managing it.

Basically this government will keep people alive and safe from Covid, yet will happily let these same people that they've been trying to protect freeze to death. Because that's what will happen. If people cannot pay for heating, they could end up with hypothermia.

Sounds dramatic but it's scarily quite accurate. Not just the cold to worry about, re. health, but the damp from being unable to have the heating on.

It's part of the long term plan to get the public to accept falling standards of living. Children are being groomed in school to go without, that's the whole point of the green agenda - the majority must have less, must live less. The regular ratcheting up of energy prices is a tool to get the older people used to this concept.

People ask, "how will I manage?" The point is, you're not meant to. You're not supposed to be able to afford proper heating, proper food, or a proper home.

It's the same with the move towards electric cars - the majority are not meant to have personal transport going forward. The rich will always be ok, but "normal" people are meant to realise that the freedom of the past century was an aberration.

And it's the same with meat eating. Normal people are supposed to eat less meat, eat a less varied diet generally.

Make do with the bare minimum, pay more and get less - that's the future for us according to those in charge.

Think world powers are aiming for three score years and ten once again. Work, retire enjoy life unless you're poor in which case you're supposed to shuffle off. The old or sick are a drain

@thebellagio What can they do? The gov’t can’t print more gas, petrol and food. They can hand out more money, sure, but the world is short of dollars, not pounds. So it makes nothing better (actually it would cause a currency crisis in sterling).

@Dotjones The vast majority of humanity doesn’t enjoy what people in this country take for granted. Now the UK is going through the final death throes of collapse from imperial times, it’s some big conspiracy to deprive the poors?

This was always going to happen. There simply aren’t enough resources for everyone to get what they want, so the “green agenda” was going to come about naturally if not voluntarily. Personally, I’m amazed we went this long profligately wasting energy on stupid personal transport as we have done.

We’re fucking idiots for a species.

For a start they could tell property developers that every single house built must have solar panels built in. There’s a development of 150 houses near by, only 10% are having panels built in as standard. There’s no excuse for any building to be built without solar energy - that would help.

the government should be investing heavily into making green improvements more affordable to help people. I’ve just been quoted £11.5k for solar panels, and that’s with the 0% vat. I can’t afford that.

it’s terrifying how quickly the energy crisis will become a health crisis. Those people who need to keep warm will literally freeze to death. The people who need their medical equipment plugged in need to be able to afford their electric bills. The children or adults who create a lot of washing need to be able to have clean clothes/bedding as a hygiene priority. failure to do so could create a wealth of physical and mental health issues that will cause the collapse of the NHS

Unless the solar panels are south facing to some extent, very little point

@Dotjones its quite frightening really but then I always think well I hope these people don’t need carers or community nurses. I live and work rurally covering a wide rural area as a community nurse. We wont be supplied with pool cars each as they cannot be used for personal use and need to be all kept at a base which isn’t near where we live.

@palygold

"Basically this government will keep people alive and safe from Covid, yet will happily let these same people that they've been trying to protect freeze to death. Because that's what will happen. If people cannot pay for heating, they could end up with hypothermia. "

"Sounds dramatic but it's scarily quite accurate. Not just the cold to worry about, re. health, but the damp from being unable to have the heating on."

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I fully agree with both comments and in turn the damp and cold will lead to an increase in deaths respiratory diseases such as pneumonia, bronchitis, flu etc.

However this will probably slip under the radar of the public conscious. Because unlike Covid, there will be no public health warnings on the radio, no daily cases or death tolls published, no Prime Minister trying to scare everyone with his description of Covid as an "unexpected and silent mugger", no social media telling us to stay the fuck home or we will kill grannies etc etc.

And everyone will carry on, not noticing the increase in illnesses or deaths became well at least it's not Covid.