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Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To not want to work.

824 replies

kahase72 · 03/07/2022 01:06

Hi. I’m a housewife currently. I have 3 DC, youngest 15. I’ve been out of work for about 18 years to take care of my DC. My DH wants me to go back to work now theyre more independent but I don’t want to. We don’t really NEED money, but it would be nice to have it. AIBU to not go back?

OP posts:
Comedycook · 04/07/2022 20:54

I couldn’t tolerate being with a man who didn’t work as he wanted to read and do arts & crafts while I worked full time. I’d feel really resentful

Hmmm but in return you'd get all meals cooked for you, all laundry done, ironed and put away. You'd never have to clean a single thing in your house. You wouldn't have to go food shopping. All errands would be done for you...ie dry cleaning, picking up prescriptions etc. At least that's what I did for DH when I wasn't working.

DarkCharlotte · 04/07/2022 21:16

I couldn’t tolerate being with a man who didn’t work as he wanted to read and do arts & crafts while I worked full time. I’d feel really resentful

Well my DP would rather I stay at home and take care of the house and laundry because he's just so disorganised and an absolute mess when it comes to these things. He has executive function problems stemming from CTE brain injury. He just can't manage a home and a dog and work all at the same time. Before I moved in, his place was a disorganised mess and it used to cause him so much stress but he just couldn't get it under control. He didn't cook for himself, would just get takeaway. So, I stay home and manage everything and he earns the money. Works for us, and he isn't resentful because I do everything he doesn't want to do... And he does everything I don't want to do (work).

Bunnycat101 · 04/07/2022 21:25

There is a big difference though between being wealthy and not working (and having a lovely life doing some hobbies and voluntary work) versus the OP’s post (even if we all now think it was made up). In that scenario they didn’t sound like they had the money for her to be doing a ton of interesting stuff and even if they did, the husband’s tolerance for being the cash point has worn thin.

I reckon I could quit work and probably become a more interesting, nicer person and it would be lovely for my kids. Sadly, the reality of modern day living means the money I’d want to have banked before quitting my job is too high to be realistic. Off the back of this thread I’ve been tempted to start a ‘what household income/savings would you want before being a sahm?’. I’ve been tempted by the idea so many times but value the financial security and the time spent working towards my career too much to do it.

DarkCharlotte · 04/07/2022 21:25

I think it’s that realistically most grown adults don’t want to fill their days with crafts projects & reading followed by humbly asking hubby for £10 for a new lipstick and making huge bowls of food for emotionally supported teenagers and their friends

Each to their own. I'd rather do housework than work 9-5 and then still have to do chores when I'm home.

When I worked, I was exhausted by the end of the day, didn't want to cook dinner and do chores, was too tired to stay up reading or watching TV or doing any hobbies, and any time off I had, I just wanted to sleep tbh! I was just permanently tired and it was depressing.

Comedycook · 04/07/2022 21:30

I'm the same @DarkCharlotte I've gone from sahm to working two days a week. Honestly I'm exhausted and fall so behind on running my home. That's only working part time. On the days I work, I get home and am doing chores, laundry, cooking, clearing up all evening. I think if I worked full time I'd crack up

IcedPurple · 04/07/2022 21:30

Hmmm but in return you'd get all meals cooked for you, all laundry done, ironed and put away. You'd never have to clean a single thing in your house. You wouldn't have to go food shopping. All errands would be done for you...ie dry cleaning, picking up prescriptions etc. At least that's what I did for DH when I wasn't working.

Millions of people manage to do all that and more while holding down a full time job, with time to spare for hobbies or other interests.

ancientgran · 04/07/2022 21:51

Comedycook · 04/07/2022 21:30

I'm the same @DarkCharlotte I've gone from sahm to working two days a week. Honestly I'm exhausted and fall so behind on running my home. That's only working part time. On the days I work, I get home and am doing chores, laundry, cooking, clearing up all evening. I think if I worked full time I'd crack up

Couldn't you do laundry on the other 5 days you aren't working, maybe batch cook. I always worked and was my disabled husband's carer as well as being a mum and doing all the house stuff as DH can't. The thing I find hard now when I work very part time is doing housework during the day. I've always done it in the evening and it just doesn't feel right doing it in the day.

Comedycook · 04/07/2022 22:01

Yes I do @ancientgran on my days off...but I'm very much chasing my tail. Always seems so much to do. I know a full time job would be too much for me.

SAHMonMN · 04/07/2022 22:11

Well I certainly have never made my entire life housework. As if I'd spend 18 years doing that! Never crossed my mind, to be honest. Who died that - you would go insane.,I have 4 kids and that's quite enough thanks. That's who I'm a SAHM - it was not because of housework fgs. Yes I tidy up as I go like anyone else and things are generally organised. I don't make a martyr of myself over housework though. I have a cleaner in twice a week and do whatever I see fit around that..Most days I'm out with one or more if the kids or just out generally. Having 4 kids is quite different to having 1 or 2. There's always something going on. At present I have one on a gap year working abroad and the other three (17, 15,13) finishing school this week until Sept. My kids are very independent but still, I wouldn't want to just leave them to it all day. To be honest, I won't even leave the dog or the cats all day! I like that if one of them has no friends or nothing particular going on I can take them out etc. Stops them spending all their time online or getting depressed. We do loads of stuff in the day, same as when they were little. I do cook quite a lot, but we mainly eat out at weekends as everyone is all over the place. DH is on no fixed schedule and often WFH. He spends nearly as much time cycling as he goes working, plus he has loads of other sports he does. He always has and I don't mind at all. Good for him. I do my running and yoga. I have more 'me time' now the kids are teens, but why not? Why should I feel guilty. 4 kids was / is a lot. I never used childcare and my family are not in this country. Because it was so full in for so many years, I never take my 'me time' for granted. These days, I value my time and headspace more than anything and I'm not afraid to admit it.

Incywincyspi · 04/07/2022 22:16

Comedycook · 04/07/2022 22:01

Yes I do @ancientgran on my days off...but I'm very much chasing my tail. Always seems so much to do. I know a full time job would be too much for me.

Maybe you need to get better organisational processes in place. It’s very odd to be struggling working just two days per week unless there’s a huge backstory

rainbowmilk · 04/07/2022 23:01

I really can’t function well working 5 days per week either but unfortunately I don’t have the option of throwing my hands up and saying “I couldn’t work full time, it’d be too difficult for me”. I’m single and have to keep a roof over my head. I envy anyone with the luxury of being to say they can’t cope with 5 days per week.

AprilRae91 · 04/07/2022 23:09

@LuckySantangelo35 agreed, I would love to go back to working in a coffee shop vs corporate life. The issue with low paid jobs is the low pay when you need money.

Kanaloa · 05/07/2022 06:22

Comedycook · 04/07/2022 21:30

I'm the same @DarkCharlotte I've gone from sahm to working two days a week. Honestly I'm exhausted and fall so behind on running my home. That's only working part time. On the days I work, I get home and am doing chores, laundry, cooking, clearing up all evening. I think if I worked full time I'd crack up

You’re exhausted and can’t manage your home working two days a week? Honestly that sounds like a real issue, perhaps some sort of chronic fatigue or something.

Kanaloa · 05/07/2022 06:24

Comedycook · 04/07/2022 20:54

I couldn’t tolerate being with a man who didn’t work as he wanted to read and do arts & crafts while I worked full time. I’d feel really resentful

Hmmm but in return you'd get all meals cooked for you, all laundry done, ironed and put away. You'd never have to clean a single thing in your house. You wouldn't have to go food shopping. All errands would be done for you...ie dry cleaning, picking up prescriptions etc. At least that's what I did for DH when I wasn't working.

To be honest dry cleaning and picking up prescriptions take up a very tiny tiny portion of my life and wouldn’t be worth funding someone to do crafts projects all day. Same with housework - DH and I seem to manage absolutely fine.

Ohthatsexciting · 05/07/2022 06:24

Comedycook · 04/07/2022 22:01

Yes I do @ancientgran on my days off...but I'm very much chasing my tail. Always seems so much to do. I know a full time job would be too much for me.

Sorry if missed but how many children and how old?

i work part time and my days off are dreamy! Bit of housework with audio book on, grocery shop, batch cooking and meet friend for coffee and probably some yoga. And house admin.

mine are older primary and one teen. And I’m a single parent

bloody love it

Anothernamechangeplease · 05/07/2022 07:15

Comedycook · 04/07/2022 20:54

I couldn’t tolerate being with a man who didn’t work as he wanted to read and do arts & crafts while I worked full time. I’d feel really resentful

Hmmm but in return you'd get all meals cooked for you, all laundry done, ironed and put away. You'd never have to clean a single thing in your house. You wouldn't have to go food shopping. All errands would be done for you...ie dry cleaning, picking up prescriptions etc. At least that's what I did for DH when I wasn't working.

Yeah, perhaps that might seem like a fair deal to some people, but I certainly wouldn't consider it a balanced arrangement - being financially responsible for a whole other adult in exchange for being able to opt out of my half of the cooking and housework? I'd rather just pay a cleaner for a couple of hours each week if I was struggling.

Ohthatsexciting · 05/07/2022 07:17

Different strokes
for different folks

Pruella · 05/07/2022 07:31

We have this set up pretty much. DH does his art and I earn all the money. We have one seven year old. He does most of the domestic stuff except cooking which I do most of. It’s handy not having to worry about going away with work or DS being unwell.

I do sometimes resent the imbalance- I look at when I can realistically retire and it seems a long road, made longer by DH not working definitely. I am quite envious of his lifestyle sometimes.

rookiemere · 05/07/2022 08:24

@Pruella would you expect things to remain like this once your DC is in secondary?
I can see how it works when childcare is needed around school hours, but one they're old enough to get to and from school by themselves, wouldn't your DP want to get some part time work at least, to boost his own state pension contributions and the family coffers ?

Pruella · 05/07/2022 08:36

rookiemere · 05/07/2022 08:24

@Pruella would you expect things to remain like this once your DC is in secondary?
I can see how it works when childcare is needed around school hours, but one they're old enough to get to and from school by themselves, wouldn't your DP want to get some part time work at least, to boost his own state pension contributions and the family coffers ?

I can’t really see it, maybe he’ll do something. He’s like the OP I guess, just really doesn’t want to work and does a lot round the house. I definitely earn enough to support the household so I think he thinks it’s working well and why change things.

He won’t do it off his own back anyway we’d have to have a big “thing” about it.

SAHMonMN · 05/07/2022 08:39

What I think a lot of people don't understand is that it's not about a list of tasks - eg. who does laundry and who cooks and this and that. That's not really the point of being a SAHM because, to a large extent, you can make those type of tasks last as long as you want. Anyway, one person's concept of "all the housework'" will be very different to someone else's.

The real "work" of being a SAHM - especially if you have quite a few kids - is that you can never walk out the door without either having one or more of them with you, or having first factored in where they are, what they're doing, etc etc.

If you are a working parent with a SAHM, you never have to worry about this. You can walk out the door hands free and ficus in something else for x number of hours. You never have to worry or feel guilty about walking out the door. You never have to worry if they're not happy in the nursery or don't want to go or are ill. You never have to worry about what you're nanny is doing if you have one, or if she spends her whole time on her phone to her boyfriend or whatever. School runs, school holiday plans communication with schools, all homework, clubs and activities - covered. Not by a person who just sees it as a job. But by a parent who loves them unconditionally and will go the extra mile. A mum knows instinctively if they're anxious about something, from day one and through school. It's consistency. You can never pay anyone enough to be as in tune with your kids as their own mother. This is the whole point really.

Tasks like doing the vacuuming can be done by anyone. No SAHM I know thinks of this type of thing as defining her role. You can outsource housework. But some families, where the means is there, prefer not to outsource the 'being there'.

We had 4 DC with roughly 2 year gaps between them so it was over 10 years between having the first and the youngest one starting reception. They were all in different schools at different times and with a London traffic, some days I might not get back from the school runs until almost 10am, only to need to be out again for pick up at 2.30 to get there for 3.30 and get parking. My kids did a lot of things after school and frankly, I couldn't have paid someone enough to do it all. Also, nannies are never going to be across the homework as I was, especially when they had 11 plus exams or other exams. The school run was hellish in some ways, but looking back, that was when they often opened up about friendship issues or other worries they had moving though school. Even in the hours between school runs, I was generally doing something for one of them. That's how it was. So it's not about housework, it's something else and much more than that.

Comedycook · 05/07/2022 09:12

I think that's very true @SAHMonMN before when I was at home al the time, DH was never troubled by what day sports day was on, what after school activities were happening, a DC being ill and having to be home from school, an early pick up time at the end of term...he lived his life utterly unencumbered by these day to day things. Now I'm working, we are having endless conversations and having to coordinate our time.

Pruella · 05/07/2022 09:18

See maybe this is where men genuinely are different - I absolutely am “troubled” by when sports day is as I like to attend if I can. I also wouldn't spend my weekends doing hobbies or whatever as I want to maximise my time with DS at the weekends. Often the working fathers spoken about on these threads seem much more detached from their children than working mothers are.

stuntbubbles · 05/07/2022 09:23

I’d love to stay home and write and garden, bake, read, walk; it’s the side of the bargain where I do all the housework, shopping, life admin, childcare, meal planning and cooking without any of my own money that I’m not keen on. Grin

As the theme of the thread is making things up, I’d like to be an independently wealthy marchioness.

spanishmumireland · 05/07/2022 09:33

SAHMonMN · 05/07/2022 08:39

What I think a lot of people don't understand is that it's not about a list of tasks - eg. who does laundry and who cooks and this and that. That's not really the point of being a SAHM because, to a large extent, you can make those type of tasks last as long as you want. Anyway, one person's concept of "all the housework'" will be very different to someone else's.

The real "work" of being a SAHM - especially if you have quite a few kids - is that you can never walk out the door without either having one or more of them with you, or having first factored in where they are, what they're doing, etc etc.

If you are a working parent with a SAHM, you never have to worry about this. You can walk out the door hands free and ficus in something else for x number of hours. You never have to worry or feel guilty about walking out the door. You never have to worry if they're not happy in the nursery or don't want to go or are ill. You never have to worry about what you're nanny is doing if you have one, or if she spends her whole time on her phone to her boyfriend or whatever. School runs, school holiday plans communication with schools, all homework, clubs and activities - covered. Not by a person who just sees it as a job. But by a parent who loves them unconditionally and will go the extra mile. A mum knows instinctively if they're anxious about something, from day one and through school. It's consistency. You can never pay anyone enough to be as in tune with your kids as their own mother. This is the whole point really.

Tasks like doing the vacuuming can be done by anyone. No SAHM I know thinks of this type of thing as defining her role. You can outsource housework. But some families, where the means is there, prefer not to outsource the 'being there'.

We had 4 DC with roughly 2 year gaps between them so it was over 10 years between having the first and the youngest one starting reception. They were all in different schools at different times and with a London traffic, some days I might not get back from the school runs until almost 10am, only to need to be out again for pick up at 2.30 to get there for 3.30 and get parking. My kids did a lot of things after school and frankly, I couldn't have paid someone enough to do it all. Also, nannies are never going to be across the homework as I was, especially when they had 11 plus exams or other exams. The school run was hellish in some ways, but looking back, that was when they often opened up about friendship issues or other worries they had moving though school. Even in the hours between school runs, I was generally doing something for one of them. That's how it was. So it's not about housework, it's something else and much more than that.

I have three children with small gaps between them. I work full time. My DH works full time. We don't have a cleaner.
All my DC do activities and we supervise their homework and we eat healthy meals trying to make it simple.
We aren't talking about nursery age kids. We are talking when they are all at school and going into secondary school. The SAHM role is redundant. It's non existent. And with the new WFH working from home malarky it makes it even more evident.
We do all those tasks you mention. We love our children to bits and we care about them. The children of working parents tend to be a lot more independent. I think the mum working really forters independence in girls. My eldest (13) in secondary has jobs in the house. The other two have also small jobs. They aren't allowed to be on screens, unless weekend and only for a couple of hours. We WFH/ go to the office so one of us is at home. They have many friends in the neighbourhood.
A lot of women in my area don't work as I live in a wealthy area. It amazes me how they live so oblivious to all the risks they are taking: no pension, risk of redundancy, being dumped, illness etc etc.

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