Should a male teacher have done this?

[mycatisannoying]

During a residential school trip, enter a girls' shared dorm to wake them up?
To my mind it's a safeguarding issue, and there was also a female teacher on the trip who could have done it.
I wanted to seek others' opinions before raising it.
Thanks.

He won't get away with it if it's reported to the Headteacher and/or Safeguarding Lead. It will be investigated.

And would you report it, if you were a girl and reported it to your mum and the answers were like the majority of the ones above?

’Don’t be ridiculous! You were probably misbehaving anyway. No wonder men don’t go into teaching.’

<silence>

Why does a teacher need to go in the room?

Well I was on a trip where a child went missing. Confirming everyone is there is a safeguarding thing.

Also if the teachers thought phones were being used then it would be an ideal time to spot them.

You have to take both sexes. I've sometimes been the obligatory woman to check on the girls and have a bag of sanpro.

No contact with the teacher. At all.
Safeguarding report to the Headteacher.

In fairness, if I were this Mum who has more than one thread about her daughter's behaviour particularly with regard to phone usage, the first thing I'd do is contact the school and ask:

1)My daughter says she's been accused of having a phone with her and the male teacher is actively encouraging her friends to tell him if she has.

2. My daughter says the same teacher went alone into a girls' dormitory.

See what the school says.

So why not deal with in your first post?

He has been silly not safeguarding himself to be honest. A male teacher should not enter a girl's PE changing room and this is a very similar situation - someone may have been up and getting changed.

If he did this, he's incredibly stupid because he can get sacked.
He knows what the safeguarding rules are nowadays, he'll have had to attend compulsory training, he'll know what to CPOMS and he'll definitely know rules about dealing with students on trips.
Start the process, OP. If he did it as described, it's a serious accusation.

This thread actually shows why he shouldn't go in the room...

If he was just naive, hes opened himself up to accusations. He needs to protect himself from that.

If he's lacking boundaries, he needs to be told why, to protect himself and the girls.

If it was nefarious, then he needs to be watched.

In all the cases, school need to be informed that his behaviour made the girls uncomfortable, and the policy may need to be looked at. As well as clarifying what exactly happened.

I think you need to be careful about your accusations. Your daughter sounds as if she could be quite challenging and you are trying to discredit a teacher who has given up spare time to run a school trip. I wouldn't blame teachers for saying they are not prepared to go on residential trips if parents are going to complain about a knock on the door and wake up call (unless he was pulling off their blankets and watching them).
You don't like him and you want to get him into trouble.

That’s not what I said though, @PAFMO

You are one of the (four? Five?) girls in this dorm and tell your mum that Mr X came in to get you all up.

And your mum makes comments like some on this thread.

What would you do then? Take it further?

Of course you wouldn’t. So Mr X gets away with it for decades until eventually even he goes too far, by which time he’s near retirement point anyway and he gets a twelve month sentence suspended for two years. Joy.

A male teacher waking them from the doorway has no impact whatsoever on their privacy or dignity.

The amount of safeguarding training teachers undergo means he would know this is inappropriate. We can't, for example, be in a classroom alone with a pupil and a closed door, ever. That's to protect ourselves as well as them. Going into a dormitory where girls might have been in a state of undress is so much an absolute no that this man absolutely knew he was crossing a boundary. Safeguarding training is regular, repeated and crystal clear. It doesn't matter if people here feel comfortable with it or even if the girls did. He has knowingly and deliberately done something wrong and that's a red flag in itself. Blurring boundaries is part of grooming. Grooming and abuse is something which does happen, is not as rare as you would hope and the overwhelming majority (not all, but most!) are male. He is either crashingly stupid or potentially dangerous.

I wouldn't have a problem with a woman going into a boys dorm to wake them

I absolutely would have a problem with a man going into a girls dorm

I don't think you're being unreasonable OP, I would raise it with the school. Not necessarily as a complaint but he shouldn't have done it, if you don't say anything he might do it again.

Also, he sounds like a tit

I think he shouldn't purely because of people like your daughter and yourself who would see it as inappropriate. He needs to protect himself. Personally I think knocking on the door and then sticking his head in to say time to get up is fine, but the female staff member should have done it.

My teen dd also often wears skimpy clothes to bed. It seems to be fashionable to wear bra tops instead of actual pj tops. She also has proper pyjamas, which have fallen out of vogue but I will be advising her to wear them on a school trip.

If this happened with my dd with a male teacher, who is known for not respecting boundaries, I would be discussing my concerns with the school. And making the skimpy pjs on top of the bed argument. His entering the room does not sound justifiable. I would also be talking to the school about the phone accusation and code word so that it could be investigated.

i understand the comments that teachers are too afraid to do anything. I have also come across the cocky male teacher, so adulated by the children and often the parents, as he’s a cool dude. I therefore can imagine that not all teachers are too afraid to push boundaries.

As mentioned a few comments upthread, we are in a post Jimmy Saville society. As parents, there are certain things we should not be accepting, especially with a cocky, boundary pushing teacher.

Your daughter sounds as if she could be quite challenging and you are trying to discredit a teacher who has given up spare time to run a school trip

How do men get away with it?

There. Look right there. This is the narrative people seem to want.

Bad girl. Lazy girl, cheeky girl. No evidence whatsoever to support this but a teacher thought she had a phone so he must be right.

And he’s a good person and she’s a challenge.

Thats what we want. And next time there’s a Rotherham or the TRA prohibit a man (almost always a man) for sexual abuse of children, and people say ‘but how’ I’ll link them to this thread and say ‘this is how.’

And don’t forget this one. This grown man is the one at risk against a 13 year old.

There is an air of using womanhood to destroy someone. Not good and a terrible example to set your daughter. Males beware.

The teacher is in danger of you making up trumped up accusations about him.

It's what I said I would do.
Not what I said you said. I quoted what you said.

Would I believe my daughter? Yes. Though I'd be very surprised at the dormitory thing and definitely seek clarification on the school's policy and I'd want to know what the "went into the dormitory" actually entailed.

As for the phone, if I were the OP, I'd probably check first of all that the phone her Dad replaced in April was also at home.

In fairness, if I were this Mum who has more than one thread about her daughter's behaviour particularly with regard to phone usage, the first thing I'd do is contact the school and ask:1)My daughter says she's been accused of having a phone with her and the male teacher is actively encouraging her friends to tell him if she has.2) My daughter says the same teacher went alone into a girls' dormitory.See what the school says.
Now now @PAFMO surely you know being measured and logical is just not on?....🤔
Still no idea how he actually woke them up, but so many posters have already been 'Judge Judy and the executioner' !

There are quite a few female teachers who end up in inappropriate relationships or raping their male students...although usually it is reported in a very different way as though the young male student isn't a victim when a female teacher 'seduces' him.

There is risk both ways. They should always just have same sex...although with so many students being LGBT now, I don't know that that would be any safer. Maybe just use a loud siren.

All I get is you clearly have a problem with him and looking to get him into trouble justified or not.
I wouldn't have a problem with a knock on the door then entering to make sure there up.
going into a lone girls room or touching /shaking them yes i'd have a problem but think that happened .

I'm sure that kids are allowed phones on trips once teenage,if nothing else it keeps them quiet on the coach.so I suspect that your dd was doing something naughty like trying to take pics of someone or was suspected of looking at something inappropriate.

At 13 why are they not up and ready at the designated time to start with?

This bloke may be a creepy dickhead that should be reported because of the room incident OR you could just be being malicious. It's a pretty easy to identify story so if he found out about this thread he would know it was him. Assuming his innocence because you haven't actually provided any evidence of what he did, Imagine how he would feel reading this? After giving up his own family time, unpaid to help run a trip? You could ruin his career and mental health here, tread carefully.