Should a male teacher have done this?

[mycatisannoying]

During a residential school trip, enter a girls' shared dorm to wake them up?
To my mind it's a safeguarding issue, and there was also a female teacher on the trip who could have done it.
I wanted to seek others' opinions before raising it.
Thanks.

The fact OP @mycatisannoying has disappeared speaks for itself... there's a busy body / shit stirrer / trouble maker at every school gate and the OP is obviously the one at her school. You can't just make allegations without explaining exactly what happened such as did the teacher just call out for everyone to get up or not? She's been asked several times and refuses to answer, which again speaks for itself...

I am shocked by the number of posters on here who think this is totally acceptable. In the light of all that we know now about abusers and the policies that are in place you think this is OK? Where do you draw the line? What are you teaching your daughters? Oh well he's a teacher, it's OK. Oh well he is a policeman so it's OK?

as a designated safeguarding officer I would be investigating this if reported to me. I'd investigate the code word thing (ffs) and the being in room. might be reasonable explanation but I would be advising additional safeguarding training

Yes, exactly. All the tiny violins being played for the absolutely inappropriate male teacher.

It's not about whether that specific teacher was a risk to that specific child. It's about creating a culture where situations that could be dangerous are not normalised.

Clearly looking for something to pin on him. He’s in a position of trust and went because, presumably, he was deemed safe. I would have zero concerns about this, just as I wouldn’t if a female teacher woke up a group of boys.
You need to explain HOW he woke them up.

It's a shame we've got to this point. Do the women saying he shouldn't have gone in not allow their husbands to check on or dress their female children just in case they molest them because they are male and therefore cannot be trusted? Do they allow their female children to be taught alone in lessons by a male teacher? If a female lesbian went in to the dormitory instead would that be more preferable than a man? If there was a fire would you expect him to run around trying to get a female teacher first rather than enter the dormitory and get the kids out?!

If the the teacher was happily married with two daughters would that make a difference? If he knocked and shouted first and didn't do anything inappropriate I don't see a problem. This is a man who is responsible for classes of the same children and their welfare daily, presumabley alone in a classroom! If you are saying you can't trust any man approved by local authorities with your kid then we need to go back to Victorian times with separate entrances for male and female and separate classes, girls wear ankle length skirts and bloomers or seek an all girl's school (they still have male teachers by the way!).

It's vividly clear that the OP wants to get some nasty vindictive pay back on this teacher because she doesn't like it he upset her daughter by telling her off and doesn't like his methods for discipline. She should tackle the real issue which is that she doesn't like the way he handled her daughters behaviour over the phone and get the schools point of view on what happened there. Perhaps finding out their point of view may give more perspective. Unless the OP divulges anything else about this teacher and the so called dormitory issue or other ones then I really fail to see that he is somehow a paedophile which is a massive stretch but basically what she is insinuating.

What's interesting is that quite often there are notices on toilet doors saying, "these facilities are cleaned by both male and female attendants" so no, not far off men cleaning changing rooms.

Context is everything which is the issue here. How it was done is as important as how OP found out about it. Did anyone feel violated or was it OPs daughter getting upset with the teacher about the phone incident (which should definitely be reported to the school)?

I'm assuming that the girls were told to bring pyjamas/appropriate sleepwear. Knocking on the door and calling into a room full of sleeping teenagers to wake up is very different to entering without knocking and getting a good look.

🙄 of course we allow people we know and trust to have different boundaries ffs what a stupid comment

the ignoring boundaries is a red flag

I don’t see an issue with it, presumably you felt your child was safe with this teacher when you let them go, and he wasn’t alone with one of them.

No male teacher that I know would, where a female teacher was available, go into a room full of adolescent girls to wake them up.
This is standard practice and any male teacher knows this.

Our children are not sacrificial lambs to appease the feelings of men who don't feel they are trusted enough. You wanna go sit in a room alone with a man you know little about then knock yourself out.

But a male teacher willing to sit alone In a classroom with the door closed with a female student is asking for trouble. None of the teachers at either of my dds schools have ever amd wouod never put themselves in that position.

It's not about assuming that all men, given half a chance, will assault any kid they can get their hands on. It's about recognising that some will, and putting procedures and expectations in place for all to best minimise the risk.

It's not about assuming that all men, given half a chance, will assault any kid they can get their hands on. It's about recognising that some will, and putting procedures and expectations in place for all to best minimise the risk.

In fact even during lock.down not only was it stayed the cameras were turned off for the high school when they had to log in for online.learning.

Try dds primary even the female teachers requested parents be present in the room. No bedrooms and no lone children.

Sounds like you're getting a hard time on the thread OP

Code word: not nice, teacher sounds like a dick, but not enough of a dick to warrant a complaint. Your DD needs to decide how important her relationship with the teacher is to decide how to go forward with the fact her has picked on her and she also needs to decide whether she has been singled out in particular or whether he is a routine dick. If he's just like a basic PE teacher, or doesn't even teach her anyway, I reckon you should both let it go. If he's a regular teacher, you need to establish whether she's been a dick with phone/manners and if he's just being a dick back to her

Man in dorm. Not on or on, depending on circumstances. You have not said whether he knocked and shouted first to warn he was entering. You've been vague about this, so posters cannot assign a context.

I don't think non-close family men should near girls when they are in their sleeping chamber or changing rooms. It's rude and makes them feel vulnerable, regardless of his intentions.

Why didn't he just call out from outside of the room? Ring a bell or play a song on a speaker. Super weird he went in there.

They may be unconscious, they are in their beds, wearing PJs.... they are vulnerable, he shouldn't be in there.

Male teacher knocking on the door is fine. Male teacher entering a room full of sleeping teenage girls under these circumstances is not fine. Especially when there is a female teacher available. He should know that. And the fact that he doesn't / chooses to walk in anyway, is a problem.

It's not about assuming that all men, given half a chance, will assault any kid they can get their hands on. It's about recognising that some will, and putting procedures and expectations in place for all to best minimise the risk.

Well said.

Safeguarding exists to mitigate risk.

None of the male teachers I know would do this, because it's a basic safeguarding no no.

And they don't feel personally victimised by safeguarding basics, because they know these exist to provide as much protection as possible for kids in general.

It's not about individual teachers and individual pupils.

It's a very basic case of sensible safeguarding not being put into practice.

@MrsTerryPratchett it's not a stupid question, at all! Very legitimate.

OP, I'm confused. In answer to your question, it's normal practice for a woman to go in, but there are a number of reasons why they might not have done.

Also, why is your OP about that and not the very odd story about the phone?

To those saying no what about
Male nurse:
Waking a room of woman or girls.
Dressed
Supervising shower
Toilet

Ewww - totally not appropriate at all.

@kateandme hmmm why is it acceptable to supervise 13 year old girls in a shower, ever?

Likewise with toilet.

Male nurses completely different as usually a parent with the child and nurses are rarely around children alone.

Well this has turned into the worst sort of MRA fantasy thread.

Yuk

People are still saying the op has issues with his discipline over a phone, she didn't have her phone so there was no need for him to discipline her and no need for any "code word" nonsense either

They should have had a female teacher wake the girls and a male for the boys.

Sounds like nothing happened but the whole thread illustrates the problem that even where nothing happens people see major issues because something could have happened.