Should a male teacher have done this?

[mycatisannoying]

During a residential school trip, enter a girls' shared dorm to wake them up?
To my mind it's a safeguarding issue, and there was also a female teacher on the trip who could have done it.
I wanted to seek others' opinions before raising it.
Thanks.

So the root of the issue comes out... You're annoyed he accused your DD of having a phone on her, but you're sensible enough to realise that alone isn't enough to complain about, so you're scrabbling around for anything else you can find.
You clearly don't like this man, but on this occasion, he's not really done anything wrong. And certainly nothing to deserve the potentially career-ruining vendetta you're considering

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I think there must be past form from your DD in using a mobile phone when she's not supposed to. I can't see that he would just randomly accuse her from out of nowhere. On this occasion he was mistaken though.

I would focus on the phone issue as they are two separate things.

Quote didn't work. I was quoting pp who said that all teachers on the thread were saying the teacher was inappropriate.

Your imagination is doing a lot of heavy lifting here.

This is a man who is apparently targeting a particular child because he has formed an opinion about her (for whatever reason).

A man who is trying to get young teenage girls to use "secret code words". These code words form a collusion between himself and those girls, and "other" the girl that he has decided to target.

A man who is entering a room where young teenage girls are vulnerable, and for all he knows may be in a state of undress.

A man who should be well aware that everything he has said and done is inappropriate .

The phone is neither here nor there. Even if OPs DD did have a phone, that doesn't matter with regard to this.

Look at what he is doing. All of this is at best innocently inappropriate - and if he is so unaware, he shouldn't be in this job - but at worst deliberate grooming behaviour and an attempt to break down the safety barriers between adults in power and vulnerable children.

Are you insinuating she wouldn't have been if you hadn't been there?

It's against the rules.

If a male teacher can't follow safeguarding rules, then Houston we have a problem.

@Glitternails1

So what’s your view? Are women “safer” than men? No.

You're seriously saying that you believe an equal number of women commit sexual and violent crime in comparison to men?

Do you really believe that?

I assume you don't, as it's demonstrably untrue, so why say "No." after the claim?

Of course women as a group are 'safer' than men as a group. This is borne out statistically, across the world.

Saying that isn't the same as saying no women ever commit sexual or violent crime.

They just don't do so anywhere near as regularly as men. Not even close.

Can we NOT do this please

Men cause women and girls ENDLESSL harm and you’re minimising that. There is every reason why we should unfortunately be vigilant about male behaviour

Did he knock and shout, or go in and ruffle their hair?

The former is fine.

I don't think it's the quoted poster's imagination going overtime.
You have extrapolated far more (that was never said) from the OP's vague posts than anybody else!

Not getting into the phone issue

No he shouldn't have been walking into the girls dorm if there was a female teacher available

Safeguarding rules aren't a menu that adults get to pick and choose from. Safeguarding rules all apply, to everyone, no matter how remote the risk appears to be to some random posters on MN.

"A man who is entering a room where young teenage girls are vulnerable, and for all he knows may be in a state of undress."

Unless he knocked, waited for an answer and asked if it was ok to come in? That's what I do when I have to wake the boys up on trips. Then I stick my head in, put the light on, tell them what time they need to be downstairs for breakfast, and leave. In the past, when I've just knocked, some of them have gone back to sleep. I'm sure op will let us know how he woke them soon.

As I said, I was quoting the poster who said that all teachers on the thread agreed with the OP. The quote didn't work.
Slideshow? What are we? In the 90s?

This. That’s really low op.

Ideally you'd have a female teacher waking them but who knows what else she was dealing with that morning.

I'm insinuating nothing. In my experience he's beyond reproach.
However, we're following safeguarding procedures which are there to protect young people in our care.

You have missed the point! HE and SHE were both safe as in following a standard safeguarding policy.

Ruined careers

Misunderstanding

Mistake

Imagination

Difficult chikd/challenging child/ misbehaviour aka she deserved it.

Responsibility fir no men ever going into teaching.

Nothing actually happened

All stuff girls are told when something does happen to shut them up. Discredit them. Make the man the victim.

Do you know what it does to grow up thinking it was your fault somehow.

Never mind the 90s, this thread is more 70s. And not in a good way.

Actually, there is no written "Safeguarding Rules" list that all schools must adhere to. Each county council liaises with schools and Social Services and helps the school to implement guidelines for service users. Safeguarding alerts/reports also go to different authorities depending on the county. Where I am for example, it's a completely different reporting procedure from the county in which my friend teaches, despite the counties being side by side.

Who told you about it op? Your daughter?

Exactly this. Shame on you OP.

That's right, what I meant was there isn't a policy for not going into girls rooms because it's covered by safeguarding.

Not great practise

Female staff check female dorms etc and male staff the male dorms when I've been on residential trips.

If he knocked and shouted get up ..fine
If he knocked or shouted and then opened the door to the room and said get up from the corridor not a great idea.
If he knocked or shouted opened the door and went over the threshold and stood whilst the got out of bed...bad idea
If he knocked or shouted opened door went into room and closed the door behind him COMPLAIN