Meet the Other Phone. Only the apps you allow.

Meet the Other Phone.
Only the apps you allow.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Elderly alcoholic parent and the madness that just never ends.

118 replies

Tiredofthemadness · 01/07/2022 17:22

Apologies, this may be long!

My Dad has been an alcoholic for as long as I can remember. I am 55 now, he is 82.

He was high functioning when he was working, as in he managed to get up early and hold down a job, however, mine and my brothers home life was a car wreck, as he drank to excess almost daily and was extremely angry and shouty all of the time. Several threats of violence against us and our Mum, that were never carried through, but doors, ornaments, glasses etc, would bear the brunt instead, often getting smashed up or thrown across rooms. This was my childhood as I remember it.

Family parties almost always ended up in one drunken disaster or another, and he completely ruined my engagement party by getting hammered and screaming in front of guests. This carried on through our childhood and in to our adulthood - most family get togethers have ended up the same shit show over the years.

He definitely has a good side - can be funny when sober and is very generous, and I know he does love his 3 children. He has had some awful trauma in life, which may explain his behaviour. I don't know.

Anyway, for the past 20 or so years, he has been retired, and whilst he has mellowed a lot, the drinking has escalated, I guess because there is no job to hold down. As the years have gone on, the angry arguments at family events has been replaced with drinking so excessively that he falls asleep at about 9pm and misses the whole evening. It doesn't matter where you are - he will just slump asleep in a restaurant or bar - anywhere. Which is embarrassing, as he looks as if he has died at the table.

Or, if we are at a house, he will say he's going for a nap at 8pm, and then he will reappear at midnight when most people are going to bed. He will then sit alone and drink until 4am.

It was evident in recent years, that the time on the clock means nothing. He could start drinking at 2pm, fall asleep for a nap, wake up at 7pm for dinner, nap again until 10pm, then start drinking again and carry on drinking until 4am. My Mum seemed to join him in this cycle, but she was not drinking as much as him. In latter years if I stayed with them, they would often nap after dinner, start drinking at 11pm, still be drinking at 5am, and then the drunken arguments would start (which I was meant to referee).

Mum died 5 years ago, and it became obvious that Dad didn't know how to run his own life without her. She did everything. He didn't know who the cars were insured with, who the house was insured with, where the savings were, how to pay any bills - he had been living like a child without any responsibility whatsoever for a few decades it would seem.

This meant that the whole of Dad's life fell in to mine and my brothers hands to manage. He literally exists and drinks, whilst we facilitate his life. This could be anything from insuring his house & car, to ordering a food shop weekly, to arranging his cleaner, managing his bank account, basically everything it takes to care for one whole other person.

He seems to forget that me and my brother work full time, and calls us both, up to 5 times a day for a video chat. The conversation will often start with him asking "How are you?" as if we haven't spoken for a week, when in reality it is probably an hour since we spoke.

In recent weeks, he started behaving strangely, and long story short was admitted to hospital with an array of very serious things wrong with him. I honestly thought it was the end.

After many weeks however, he has been sent home. My brother and I have had to make several adjustments at his house to facilitate him coming home, such as new furniture, zimmer frames, various other equipment & he has carers coming in to help.

He has now had an epiphany, that after 50 years on the bottle, he is going to quit - and he grows stronger by the day.

I know I should be elated, and mostly I am, but I also feel.....so very, very tired, as it feels as though the merry-go-round is starting up again.

Anyone else experienced anything remotely similar?

OP posts:
girlfriend44 · 11/04/2023 16:18

Tiredofthemadness · 01/07/2022 17:22

Apologies, this may be long!

My Dad has been an alcoholic for as long as I can remember. I am 55 now, he is 82.

He was high functioning when he was working, as in he managed to get up early and hold down a job, however, mine and my brothers home life was a car wreck, as he drank to excess almost daily and was extremely angry and shouty all of the time. Several threats of violence against us and our Mum, that were never carried through, but doors, ornaments, glasses etc, would bear the brunt instead, often getting smashed up or thrown across rooms. This was my childhood as I remember it.

Family parties almost always ended up in one drunken disaster or another, and he completely ruined my engagement party by getting hammered and screaming in front of guests. This carried on through our childhood and in to our adulthood - most family get togethers have ended up the same shit show over the years.

He definitely has a good side - can be funny when sober and is very generous, and I know he does love his 3 children. He has had some awful trauma in life, which may explain his behaviour. I don't know.

Anyway, for the past 20 or so years, he has been retired, and whilst he has mellowed a lot, the drinking has escalated, I guess because there is no job to hold down. As the years have gone on, the angry arguments at family events has been replaced with drinking so excessively that he falls asleep at about 9pm and misses the whole evening. It doesn't matter where you are - he will just slump asleep in a restaurant or bar - anywhere. Which is embarrassing, as he looks as if he has died at the table.

Or, if we are at a house, he will say he's going for a nap at 8pm, and then he will reappear at midnight when most people are going to bed. He will then sit alone and drink until 4am.

It was evident in recent years, that the time on the clock means nothing. He could start drinking at 2pm, fall asleep for a nap, wake up at 7pm for dinner, nap again until 10pm, then start drinking again and carry on drinking until 4am. My Mum seemed to join him in this cycle, but she was not drinking as much as him. In latter years if I stayed with them, they would often nap after dinner, start drinking at 11pm, still be drinking at 5am, and then the drunken arguments would start (which I was meant to referee).

Mum died 5 years ago, and it became obvious that Dad didn't know how to run his own life without her. She did everything. He didn't know who the cars were insured with, who the house was insured with, where the savings were, how to pay any bills - he had been living like a child without any responsibility whatsoever for a few decades it would seem.

This meant that the whole of Dad's life fell in to mine and my brothers hands to manage. He literally exists and drinks, whilst we facilitate his life. This could be anything from insuring his house & car, to ordering a food shop weekly, to arranging his cleaner, managing his bank account, basically everything it takes to care for one whole other person.

He seems to forget that me and my brother work full time, and calls us both, up to 5 times a day for a video chat. The conversation will often start with him asking "How are you?" as if we haven't spoken for a week, when in reality it is probably an hour since we spoke.

In recent weeks, he started behaving strangely, and long story short was admitted to hospital with an array of very serious things wrong with him. I honestly thought it was the end.

After many weeks however, he has been sent home. My brother and I have had to make several adjustments at his house to facilitate him coming home, such as new furniture, zimmer frames, various other equipment & he has carers coming in to help.

He has now had an epiphany, that after 50 years on the bottle, he is going to quit - and he grows stronger by the day.

I know I should be elated, and mostly I am, but I also feel.....so very, very tired, as it feels as though the merry-go-round is starting up again.

Anyone else experienced anything remotely similar?

no but most people look after their elderly parents and all the things that come with that.

Can be stressful but then when they die you miss them abit.
Carry on what your doing? Agree with you dont cut him off. He needs you and hes your dad. It wont go on forever.

Yolo12345 · 11/04/2023 17:09

Your dad actually manages to drive safely??? I'm amazed at that - are sure he is safe to be left behind the wheel?

Yolo12345 · 11/04/2023 17:09

Oh and please do go and visit your son. Sorry to be blunt but your future lies with the new generation.

Blossomtoes · 11/04/2023 17:14

Yolo12345 · 11/04/2023 17:09

Your dad actually manages to drive safely??? I'm amazed at that - are sure he is safe to be left behind the wheel?

OP says he doesn’t drive when he’s had a drink. Lots of functioning alcoholics are the same. It’s usually the last line in the sand.

Yellowdays · 11/04/2023 17:30

Go on holiday, for heaven's sake.

rockingbird · 11/04/2023 17:58

Please go on your trip, I know you will worry but it's really out of your control. His drinking is his choice ultimately.. he's given very little regard for you so why are you loyal to him?

LlynTegid · 11/04/2023 18:05

Go on your trip.

Not quite the same, I had an alcoholic uncle. None of us stopped holidays, days out etc, we visited him probably on the same basis as if were a non-drinker, other than doing so in the daytime not evening. He was a lot younger when his last heart attack killed him though (whilst out walking, someone called an ambulance, so we knew nothing could have saved him).

Tiredofthemadness · 12/04/2023 12:25

It's so hard, isn't it? Especially, because I have no idea, whether this latest hospital admission is because of drink - it might not be!

What would you do, if he dies when I'm out there? You hear of people rushing home, but what would the point be? I could see it if Mum was alive (to comfort her), but she passed away in 2017.

I'm feeling a bit heartless, even thinking about this, but obviously I have to acknowledge it is a possibility. Although for now, the Drs are saying they do not expect him to die.

OP posts:
AvonCallingBarksdale · 12/04/2023 12:37

I know our childhood was terrible in parts, but it wasn't all bad, and he does love his children. I am resentful though. Resentful that he doesn't remember how he used to be, and how scared we were as kids.

Sorry @Tiredofthemadness but there’s a huge contradiction just in your para above. It’s very common for people who’ve experienced childhood trauma to focus on the “not so bad” bits. I’m not surprised you’re resentful and then some - it’s not the mark of a good parent to leave their DC feeling scared. Your life is yours to live and I would say you’ve given more than enough to your father already.

AvonCallingBarksdale · 12/04/2023 12:40

So definitely go to see your son!

NotMyDayJob · 12/04/2023 13:01

I'll be honest, you sound like you're overthinking this now to the point that it is self indulgent. Go and see your son. Stop worrying about him dying. The drs have said it's not going to happen. And honestly anyone can die at any time.

CreationNat1on · 12/04/2023 13:15

It's really not self indulgence, an alcoholic in the family, means the whole family are "sick", growing up with a alcoholic shapes how the caregivers view the world and their place in it.

OP:please buy the AA for friends and families of alcoholics. It will help you to unpack your role and understand your mums behaviour too. Xxx

Thesharkradar · 12/04/2023 13:19

I wouldn't be surprised if the funny turn was engineered in order to prevent you from going on holiday.
You should definitely go on the holiday.

Iloveacurry · 12/04/2023 13:23

Go and visit your son. You need to live your life.

NotMyDayJob · 12/04/2023 13:30

CreationNat1on · 12/04/2023 13:15

It's really not self indulgence, an alcoholic in the family, means the whole family are "sick", growing up with a alcoholic shapes how the caregivers view the world and their place in it.

OP:please buy the AA for friends and families of alcoholics. It will help you to unpack your role and understand your mums behaviour too. Xxx

I'm not saying the OP is self indulgent but that the over thinking is starting to sound self indulgent. I am well aware of the impact addiction can have on families (I just don't want to go into my own story here) but at some point you either make a change or have a miserable life of your own.

Dutch1e · 12/04/2023 14:08

Tiredofthemadness · 12/04/2023 12:25

It's so hard, isn't it? Especially, because I have no idea, whether this latest hospital admission is because of drink - it might not be!

What would you do, if he dies when I'm out there? You hear of people rushing home, but what would the point be? I could see it if Mum was alive (to comfort her), but she passed away in 2017.

I'm feeling a bit heartless, even thinking about this, but obviously I have to acknowledge it is a possibility. Although for now, the Drs are saying they do not expect him to die.

Your dad has taken so much from you already. Don't let your guilt steal from your son.

MatildaTheCat · 12/04/2023 16:08

Go on your trip and enjoy it. If your DB is able to visit and deal with doctors etc you- to be polite- aren’t actually required. I’m sure you’ll give him time off too.

If your DF dies when you are away you’ll feel sad and probably also relieved but you simply delay the funeral until you are home. You can help with any arrangements over the phone and internet. Funeral directors are great at steering you through the process.

I would very seriously take this hospital admission as a catalyst for moving him into residential care. Involve SS and explain he cannot be kept safe at home any longer. I fully appreciate it’s expensive but the relief of knowing he is safe and you are not responsible 24/7 is worth more than money. It might be helpful to think of his alcoholism as a form of dementia in terms of his ability to make decisions and live safely.

Best wishes.

GenderCriticalTrumpets · 12/04/2023 16:18

The same as @warmsuncoldwind my Dad died when he was 56 due to his alcoholism and I often think I would have been living a nightmare if he had survived to old age. I'm so sorry @Tiredofthemadness, your Dad is lucky to have you.

New posts on this thread. Refresh page